Pitbull and Nemkov are the only Bellator champs that'd be competitive with their UFC counterpart

Sure buddy :rolleyes: you convinced me at "Jan beats Nemkov", "Izzy embarrasses Mousasi", "Yan dusts Archuleta".

Let's see how the Archuleta/Magomedov fights goes and then you can write that shit. Magomedov is 1-1 with Yan.
Israel struggled with Vettori, Gastelum and past prime Romero ffs. He's not the fighter you think he is.
Pitbull would murk Volk, Volk only tries to get inside to land the hook and that's it. That's like what he does most of the time and some leg kicks. You really think he can beat Pitbull? LMAO

Your predictions are shit
Yes Volk would absolutely beat Pitbull, hell USADA alone would fuck up Pitbull, Volk would beat what's left. Incidentally please tell me your not one of those nutjobs claiming Pitbull is either the FW Goat or a clear second are you?
 
Vettori is a better MMA grappler than Lovato, and he can actually strike
Bro, stop embarrassing yourself. You clearly just wrote that to win an argument. There is no way in a thousands years that Lovato is a worse grappler than Vettori.
I mean have your oppinions about Bellator and their fighters, fine. I also think Moose is partly overrated. But Vettori would absolutely get murked by Lovato and it wouldnt be close.
 
Imo.

Miocic beats Bader fairly easily, I don't see what Bader has for Stipe.

Jan Vs Nemkov would be highly competitive and might come down to who can land something hard first.

Izzy Vs Mousasi would be an absolutely terrible fight to watch, but I think Izzy would be too quick for him when they did engage and would outpoint him.

Usman Vs Lima would be a 50-45 wrestlefuck, Lima gets clinched up against the cage far too easily and I can't imagine Usman doesn't take advantage of that.

Khabib Vs Pitbull would be a domination, Khabib is far too big and far too good a grappler and has a great chin.

Volk Vs Pitbull would be competitive, Volk would cause problems with his leg kicks and good range management, Pitbull could catch him and also has good movement, but Volk seems to have a good chin. Would be a fun fight, shame it'll never happen. I personally think Pitbull would lose to Max more often than not, though.

Yan Vs Archuleta would be very one sided, Yan does everything Archuleta does, just faster and with more power.

Nunes Vs Cyborg we saw already.

Valentina Vs Ilima Lei imo wouldn't be competitive and Valentina would destroy her.
 
Nemkov might be the best LHW in the world and I think Mousasi would have a good case for being the biggest test for Israel at MW.

Besides those two I'd agree a bit less clear although Bader is IMHO a bigger wrestling threat than Cormier at this point, Stipe never really faced someone with a good shot.
 
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Yea man you got it. I’m sure you’ve reviewed the whole Bellator roster.

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Pitbull beats Volk
loses to Habeeb
 
T.s further proves his faulty mma acumen-
I agree that bull and kov would have shots at UFC champs- certainly top 3
I consider Lima the best 170er in world and I'd bet some nice cheddar agsinst Usman. A great fight - dont get me wrong but his " mauling of lima" is the typical mma fan ding dong who THINKS he knows the know but does not.

I also consider mousasi the #2 middleweight in world so his comment on that fight is a little over the top. Israel would be favored- no doubt- but mousasi is STILL just as technical as izz on feet and God forbid he gets izz on ground.....then we finally see what Adesanya has when someone with Gegards top game is on him. Hey - maybe izz shows us that he ,indeed, does have a ground game. It's a fight I'd love to see.
I'm not even calling a winner .

This aside, t s is a bit annoying and a bit of a newb ( judging from his mma verbiage on many topics)
 
T.s further proves his faulty mma acumen-
I agree that bull and kov would have shots at UFC champs- certainly top 3
I consider Lima the best 170er in world and I'd bet some nice cheddar agsinst Usman. A great fight - dont get me wrong but his " mauling of lima" is the typical mma fan ding dong who THINKS he knows the know but does not.

I also consider mousasi the #2 middleweight in world so his comment on that fight is a little over the top. Israel would be favored- no doubt- but mousasi is STILL just as technical as izz on feet and God forbid he gets izz on ground.....then we finally see what Adesanya has when someone with Gegards top game is on him. Hey - maybe izz shows us that he ,indeed, does have a ground game. It's a fight I'd love to see.
I'm not even calling a winner .

This aside, t s is a bit annoying and a bit of a newb ( judging from his mma verbiage on many topics)

My issue with Lima is that in his last few fights he keeps getting stuck against the cage and giving double unders away (he was doing it all the time against Mousasi). That's a specialist position for both Usman and Colby and I think he loses wide decisions to them both because of it.
 
If you think lima vs usman would be competitive yourr actually a moron. It would be usman vs masvidal part 2

Pitbull could ko voll though
 
Archuleta is def competitive with Yan. Same with Lima against Usman. And Saucy against Izzy.

Nemkov beats Jan and Pitbull could very beat Volk

Stipe likely melts Bader early. Khabib is too big for Pitbull but he has a punchers chance. Valentina def destroys her.

Cyborg/Manda rematch could look very different. Id favor Manda but id be surprised if Cyborg fought the same way again

Valentina, Khabib and Stipe are prolly the only locks to be blowouts
There is not much different cyborg can do. Nunes will target the lead leg that cyborg leans heavily on to put everything into her punches. Cyborg isnt gonna all of a sudden develop Petr yan footwork,or machida like evasiveness. So the choice is clear,Cyborg has to somehow ko nunes before that leg gets destroyed. So itll be like the first fight,give or take a min or two,im thinking...cos with nunes distance control she can destroy cyborg out of range.

Maybe she could go for a takedown? thats the only way imo
 
My issue with Lima is that in his last few fights he keeps getting stuck against the cage and giving double unders away (he was doing it all the time against Mousasi). That's a specialist position for both Usman and Colby and I think he loses wide decisions to them both because of it.
Yeah- but that's middleweight mousasi where he not only had to worry about takedown but he had to worry about the equally standup and complete technician in Gegard.......and still held his own over 25. This is not 2017- 18 Lima. This an almost 2021 Lima who is in his dead prime and now carries a middle frame. You HAVE TO acknowledge this. He can throw caution to the wind agsinst Usman and Colby as the fight goes on where he could not vs mousasi. This holds so much water. Would champ and Colby see early sucess vs Douglas ? Yes- probably , but it would come at a laborious price. At some point I can see Lima just chopping a guy like Colby down with those thumping and heavy leg kicks. Usman s offense would be limited cause we know what he does
.I said I'd bet Lima......it doesnt mean I'm right, either. This is just one mans take and I take everything into consideration.
 
Yeah- but that's middleweight mousasi where he not only had to worry about takedown but he had to worry about the equally standup and complete technician in Gegard.......and still held his own over 25. This is not 2017- 18 Lima. This an almost 2021 Lima who is in his dead prime and now carries a middle frame. You HAVE TO acknowledge this. He can throw caution to the wind agsinst Usman and Colby as the fight goes on where he could not vs mousasi. This holds so much water. Would champ and Colby see early sucess vs Douglas ? Yes- probably , but it would come at a laborious price. At some point I can see Lima just chopping a guy like Colby down with those thumping and heavy leg kicks. Usman s offense would be limited cause we know what he does
.I said I'd bet Lima......it doesnt mean I'm right, either. This is just one mans take and I take everything into consideration.

He was getting stuck I the same position against Rory though. It just seems like a big hole in his game to me.

He can definitely beat some top 5/10 UFC WW's, I just don't think Colby/Usman or even Khamzat are among them.
 
He was getting stuck I the same position against Rory though. It just seems like a big hole in his game to me.

He can definitely beat some top 5/10 UFC WW's, I just don't think Colby/Usman or even Khamzat are among them.
I like to use the timeline of his 3 fights with Rory and how they went. Rory is/ was a talented predominant stand up fighter and look at his game plan in the last fight.
That is acknowledging a great deal of respect for another 170er.

Again, my biggest problem is the " mauling of lima" ....the words he used .

Let me put it this way : imagine Masvidal 3 inches taller with an xtra 15-18 pounds on his frame........and more of a complete stand up game ( maz has great boxing chops). That's Douglas Lima with a thundering kickinggame. .

Who wouldnt pay to see that fight ?

Bellator has 4 players that would be top 3 and a " chance" to win title in the UFC respective divisions. Behind close doors, Dana White himself would have to be honest. As far as quantity- of course - nobodys putting anyone in UFC s circle.
 
I like to use the timeline of his 3 fights with Rory and how they went. Rory is/ was a talented predominant stand up fighter and look at his game plan in the last fight.
That is acknowledging a great deal of respect for another 170er.

Again, my biggest problem is the " mauling of lima" ....the words he used .

Let me put it this way : imagine Masvidal 3 inches taller with an xtra 15-18 pounds on his frame........and more of a complete stand up game ( maz has great boxing chops). That's Douglas Lima with a thundering kickinggame. .

Who wouldnt pay to see that fight ?

Bellator has 4 players that would be top 3 and a " chance" to win title in the UFC respective divisions. Behind close doors, Dana White himself would have to be honest. As far as quantity- of course - nobodys putting anyone in UFC s circle.

I agree that mauling is the wrong word, but I think it goes a lot like the Jorge fight did.
 
Totally different circumstances, I even said on another thread that Strikeforce's MW division was clearly better than the UFC's circa 2013
Provide the link to you saying that in 2013. Saying it in 2020 doesn't mean much.
 
People that say "facts don't care about your feelings" are objectively stupid 10 times out of 10, and the Schlemenko fight was very easy to score, 29-28 for Moose, and he had a freak injury which is the only reason it was competitive. If you'd actually seen the fight you would know these things. Unless you did actually see the fight and you're just that stupid.
With a broken fucking eye socket 45 seconds in. I dont care who u are , 95% of fighters in that position would lose handily /quit or a doctor would stop fight ( which almost bloody did in between 1st and 2nd. Thsnk god a 2nd doctor came in after first was ready to call it- its 2021and moose is STILL A BOSS)
 
Lyoto tooled a primed Gegard? That was Mousasi's first fight after 2 torn ACL's and 1 year layoff in Brazil against the best shape ever Lyoto and still outstruck him 66-35. He couldn't even kick after the first round because of his knee problems. Santos had the same problem against Glover recently. Moose beat Lyoto in the rematch clearly. Lyoto only had that weak guillotine attempt at the end. Moose even dropped him and outstruck him again.

Vettori is nowhere near Lovato BJJ level. Lovato would submit Vettori in 10 seconds
This is as good as it gets in posting ACCURATE details.
 
Blachowicz would school Nemkov exactly like he schooled Krylov.
 
HW: Stipe murks Bader. Totally agree.
LHW: Very competitive. I think Nemkov might beat Jan. Nemkov looked great in his last couple of fights against Bader and Davis and I don't think Jan is really that much better of a fighter than him. Exciting fight, someone would get finished.
MW: Mousasi vs Adesanya would be competitive, because Mousasi's a pretty good kickboxer himself and has been basically training all his life with kickboxers, so very comfortable fighting that style. Mousasi's from the Netherlands and trains all the time with those K1 / Glory type fighters. Hell, he even did a couple of K1 matches back in the day against Kyotaro and Musashi. Not saying Mousasi would win, my guess is that probably Adesanya would be one step ahead. I see it going a bit like Machida vs Mousasi 1, where Machida was moving better and just a bit more technical and strategic in the fight.
WW: Usman would have to be able to keep Lima on the cage or keep him down. Lima is pretty darn good, this would be competitive too imo. Money would probably be on Usman though. But Lima murks guys like Masvidal and Nate Diaz.
LW: Khabib absolutely beats Pitbull. He's too big, too strong and I don't see Pitbull having a style to fight off Khabib's wrestling.
FW: Extremely competitive fight between Pitbull and Volkanovski. Could go either way. Pitbull has the power to put people away, who knows. I can see Pitbull winning this fight by stoppage at any moment just as well as Volkanovski winning a 5 rounder or late stoppage.
BW: Agree, Yan dusts Archuleta. Stops him in round 2 or 3 at the latest.
Women's FW: Amanda probably wins again, but the fight will go longer this time and be more competitive. Cyborg is still to date the most dangerous fight for Amanda I believe, because she can knock her out too.
Women's FLW: Shevchenko embarrasses Macfarlane. Agree 100%.
This.
Great post.
 
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