Economy PG&E, utility tied to wildfires, will file for bankruptcy

remember when the FED broke up Bell, and then later Pac Bell and the offshoots?

remember when Utilities didn't have outright monopolies/'competitive trusts' in like every region of the US

don't feel sorry for PG&E in the slightest
 
That's hard for me to believe. I don't know the laws in CA, but normally the companies who own transmission lines and the associated poles and other hardware are required to maintain a clear easement to keep their stuff a certain distance from branches, buildings, and anything else. The distance is set by the state, but the company is fully responsible for maintaining the distance, mostly by trimming branches.

I can't understand why the state would ever prevent the company from maintaining the easement. Doing that would put the responsibility on the state for anything resulting from an easement being violated.

Here on some links. This one makes it seem like PG&E was cutting too much trees for safety. Jesus. California views are dumb.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pr...874-181/pge-cutting-trees-near-power?view=AMP

Yep here is more. Liberalism just ain't right.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sacbee.com/latest-news/article219315140.html

http://www.goldenstatenewspapers.co...cle_748d5e14-bc53-11e8-b38c-87a33c1b09b1.html

Now I'm a bjg environmentalist, but the knee jerk nonsense from the left on environmentalism is just crazy. Then they act like they aren't respsonsble when they stop those "evil companies" from clearing brush, cutting down trees to remove wildfire fuel.
 
Here on some links. This one makes it seem like PG&E was cutting too much trees for safety. Jesus. California views are dumb.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pressdemocrat.com/news/8866874-181/pge-cutting-trees-near-power?view=AMP

Yep here is more. Liberalism just ain't right.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sacbee.com/latest-news/article219315140.html

http://www.goldenstatenewspapers.co...cle_748d5e14-bc53-11e8-b38c-87a33c1b09b1.html

Now I'm a bjg environmentalist, but the knee jerk nonsense from the left on environmentalism is just crazy. Then they act like they aren't respsonsble when they stop those "evil companies" from clearing brush, cutting down trees to remove wildfire fuel.

From the last link: "According to Nancy Macy, chair of the Environmental Committee of the Valley Women’s Club, this has “terrified the community......PG&E is not adequately informing residents of their right to refuse to allow the removal or cutting of vegetation. PG&E is not a regulatory agency and their decisions do not carry the force of law,”...

Wrong, Nancy. The residents have no right to refuse the cutting, and it's not PG&E's decision. What she is advocating is letting trees and branches fall on power lines. She's an uninformed idiot who would put homes and lives in great danger if she had her way.

If someone wants to live in an area with electrical service, they have to live with having an easement around those the power lines. Period.
 
California regulators make preparations for PG&E bankruptcy
SUDHIN THANAWALA Associated Press January 29, 2019



SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — California regulators were poised for a bankruptcy declaration by the nation's largest utility as it faces billions of dollars in potential damages from wildfires in the state.

Pacific Gas and Electric Corp. had said the decision could come on Tuesday, and the California Public Utilities Commission scrambled ahead of the deadline to ensure PG&E would have financing that the company says it would need to continue providing electric and gas service under Chapter 11.

The four members of the commission voted unanimously Monday at a raucous, hastily announced meeting to exempt PG&E from a longer approval process for bankruptcy credit and loans.

The decision cleared a major obstacle to the company's planned bankruptcy filing— a move that would likely set off a yearslong court battle that could result in legislative changes, higher utility rates and less money for wildfire victims.

PG&E announced on Jan. 14 that it planned to file for bankruptcy in the face of at least $30 billion in potential wildfire damages. The company said it faced hundreds of lawsuits from victims of catastrophic wildfires in 2017 and 2018.

The fires included the nation's deadliest in a century — a November blaze that killed at least 86 people and destroyed 15,000 homes in Paradise and surrounding communities.

The cause of that fire remains under investigation, but speculation has centered on PG&E after the utility reported power line problems nearby around the time it started.

State investigators last week cleared the company's equipment of any fault in a 2017 fire in Northern California's wine country that killed 22 people. The finding prompted questions about whether PG&E still needed to file for bankruptcy. Gov. Gavin Newsom's office estimated that more than half of the roughly $30 billion in potential damages the company cited was from the wine country fire.

Legal experts said they still expected PG&E to move forward with bankruptcy in part because that would give the company space to formulate a plan to prevent its equipment from causing more catastrophic fires and reduce its future wildfire liability.

California may have to change an existing law that holds utilities entirely liable for damage caused by their equipment regardless of whether the company was negligent, said Kenneth Ayotte, who teaches corporate finance and bankruptcy law classes at the University of California, Berkeley School of Law.

PG&E would also be able to consolidate all wildfire lawsuits in bankruptcy court, where victims would have to tussle with creditors and would likely end up with less money.

Monday's CPUC meeting may have provided a glimpse of the acrimony that would accompany any bankruptcy filing. Protesters repeatedly denounced and spoke over members of the commission and booed and shouted, "Shame," as it voted to allow PG&E to immediately obtain credit and loans as part of any Chapter 11 filing. PG&E has said it has lined up $5.5 billion in credit and loans so it could continue operating during bankruptcy.

Commissioner Martha Aceves said the CPUC's decision would allow "the continuation of the lights being on" if PG&E declared bankruptcy. She was then drowned out by protesters in the crowd. Commission President Michael Picker said the decision did not "encourage or enable" the company to seek bankruptcy and was not in any way an endorsement of that decision.

The commission faced criticism after it gave short notice of the meeting. State law generally requires multiple days of notice for public meetings, but the CPUC cited an exception for emergency situations that affect public health or safety.

Protesters accused the commission of holding the meeting illegally and bailing out PG&E despite its role in wildfires.

"This is absolutely disgusting what you're doing right now," Jessica Tovar, a member of the group, Local Clean Energy Alliance, said during a public comment session.

Christopher Chow, a spokesman for the CPUC, said in an email it had met its noticing requirements for the meeting.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/california-regulators-preparations-pg-e-060425111.html
 
The market does not punish bad behavior. Not necessarily. One example of a company going bankrupt?
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everyone at the top is set for life anyways so........
 
That's hard for me to believe. I don't know the laws in CA, but normally the companies who own transmission lines and the associated poles and other hardware are required to maintain a clear easement to keep their stuff a certain distance from branches, buildings, and anything else. The distance is set by the state, but the company is fully responsible for maintaining the distance, mostly by trimming branches.

I can't understand why the state would ever prevent the company from maintaining the easement. Doing that would put the responsibility on the state for anything resulting from an easement being violated.
California has some crazy regulations. You can bet that if there were any animals near a tree, you wouldn't legally be able to remove said tree. Doing business that involves any sort of wildlife ( pigeons in a tree) can halt huge production.

I know of large scale productions(demo jobs) that got stopped, people unemployed, due to such regulations. While PG&E is going down, hard to rush to judgement without all the details.
 
Whats with California always getting screwed over by power companies? Enron and now this.
 
So, is the state of California going to take over the business?
 
I'm tempted to buy pg&e stock because I know it's going to bounce back if I can hang on to it for a decade
 
I'm tempted to buy pg&e stock because I know it's going to bounce back if I can hang on to it for a decade

Some Sherdoggers have already tried. I don't know how it went. I'm staying away. It did bounce one day pretty big. Like 75%. But 75% is a lot less than it used to be.

It's bouncing again.

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Some Sherdoggers have already tried. I don't know how it went. I'm staying away. It did bounce one day pretty big. Like 75%. But 75% is a lot less than it used to be.

It's bouncing again.

chart.ashx

I'm talking about holding on to it for years and years, not just a few days. If you've got the cash and time to hold on then I would jump all over it
 
Within the massive burn area, PG&E found power equipment and a fallen power pole riddled with bullet holes, according to a letter it sent to regulators. The company also reported that it found a downed line with tree branches on it.

Umm...if that is true, then it is NOT their fault the fire started and should not be liable for it...
 
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