International Pew survey on division in 17 advanced economies (2021)

[shankmcgank]

Ah, a long term lurker I assume?

Welcome to Sherdog Mr Definitely not a previously banned poster.

So I saw your post and I had to check.

"Member since: Today".

Lol.

 

[shankmcgank]

Netherlands is pretty diverse and is doing okay according to those stats.

Are the "minorities" there running around calling everything racist, murdering everything in sight and organizing 80+ person strong smash and grab gangs?

Asking for a friend.

 

[nostradumbass]

Wtf does a 90% conflict rate mean exactly?

Seems nebulous

It's not a measure of the actual amount of conflict, it's the number of people who responded that it's "very strong".

Basically, it's how many people watch MSM, which only covers political conflict and come up with a new term every couple weeks to attack the same group of people who don't support their party. They're alt right one week, white nationists the next, then they're qanites, then they're insurrectionists, then they're anti vaxxers.

It's really a measure conflict between the people and the media more than among the people, and in that case, the 90% is probably not far off.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Are the "minorities" there running around calling everything racist, murdering everything in sight and organizing 80+ person strong smash and grab gangs?

Asking for a friend.

I don't know, IIRC they have some issues but I'm not Dutch so I'll leave it for someone who is.

 

[Mike]

Netherlands is pretty diverse and is doing okay according to those stats.

That's one place

 

[Mike]

Racial diversity is fine. Cultural "diversity" is what fucks us.

Real cultural diversity is fine. Forced diversity isn't. Forcing people to accept things they don't want to rarely works.

 

[MicroBrew]

Strong/very strong conflicts between people who support different political parties %

Highest

1. USA - 90
   
2. South Korea - 90
   
3. Taiwan - 69
   
4. France - 65
   
5. Italy - 64

Lowest

1. Singapore - 33
   
2. Sweden - 35
   
3. New Zealand - 38
   
4. Netherlands - 38
   
5. Japan - 39

Strong/very strong conflicts between people with different ethnic or racial backgrounds %

Highest

1. USA - 71
   
2. France - 64
   
3. Italy - 57
   
4. South Korea - 57
   
5. Germany - 55

Lowest

1. Taiwan - 22
2. Singapore - 25
3. Spain - 32
4. Japan - 36
5. New Zealand - 37

Strong/very strong conflicts between people who practice different religions %

Highest

1. South Korea - 61
   
2. France - 56
   
3. USA - 49
   
4. Belgium - 46
   
5. Germany - 46

Lowest

1. Taiwan - 12
2. Spain - 19
3. Singapore - 21
4. New Zealand - 25
5. Canada - 30
6. Australia - 30

Strong/very strong conflicts between people who live in cities and people who live in rural areas %

Highest

1. France - 45
2. South Korea - 43
3. USA - 42
4. Germany - 30
5. Canada - 29

Lowest

1. Spain - 12
2. Taiwan - 15
3. Greece - 17
4. Sweden - 18
5. Japan - 18

Source

It is very very odd that South Korea would be in the list that has a high % of people showing " strong/very conflicts" between people of different ethnic or racial background. SK is one of the most homogenous nations in the world, probably the most homogenous. Virtually everyone there is ethnic Korean.

 

[MicroBrew]

Racial diversity is fine. Cultural "diversity" is what fucks us.

Religon is culture, and often the most divisive cultural artifact. You can't get rid of cultural diversity without mandating religous homogenity. If you try to mandate religous homogenity you invite the wrath of all the Jewish, Muslim and other non-Christian organizations.

I am not saying that you are implying we get rid of religious plurality, just thought I would make the observation that cultural homogenity goes hand-in-hand with religous homogenity.

 

[tenniswhiz]

The survey contains 8 of the 10 largest economies in the world. China and India are missing.

Imagine how difficult those two would be to do meaningful surveys

 

[Fox by the Sea]

those are rookie numbers, america.

 

[codfather]

It is very very odd that South Korea would be in the list that has a high % of people showing " strong/very conflicts" between people of different ethnic or racial background. SK is one of the most homogenous nations in the world, probably the most homogenous. Virtually everyone there is ethnic Korean.

There are over 20,000 US troops in South Korea, which causes some problems, and there's a racial element to that. Lots of US troops have raped Korean women and prostitution is common near bases. Lots of bars and nightclubs ban US troops because of sexual assults and violence.

Look up...
Gwangju Uprising (1980)
Yangju highway incident (2002)
Daechuri Protests (2005)

 

[MicroBrew]

There are over 20,000 US troops in South Korea, which causes some problems, and there's a racial element to that. Lots of US troops have raped Korean women and prostitution is common near bases. Lots of bars and nightclubs ban US troops because of sexual assults and violence.
Gwangju Uprising (1980)
Yangju highway incident (2002)
Daechuri Protests (2005)

Those US troops are not citizens so they are not going to be living in SK permanently, and they don't live amongst the general populace. And 20K is less than a drop in the ocean.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

It is very very odd that South Korea would be in the list that has a high % of people showing " strong/very conflicts" between people of different ethnic or racial background. SK is one of the most homogenous nations in the world, probably the most homogenous. Virtually everyone there is ethnic Korean.

They've essentially got a two-party system. Combine that with increased immigration from Africa and Asia, and a Nazi-esque view of racial supremacy and it probably colours local perspectives a bit.

 

[codfather]

Those US troops are not citizens so they are not going to be living in SK permanently, and they don't live amongst the general populace. And 20K is less than a drop in the ocean.

There's been 20K+ US troops in South Korea for about 70 years and that should continue for years to come. American military presence there is as good as permanent.
Troops aren't forbidden from leaving base, so they do interact with locals.
That 20K isn't spread out evenly, it's concentrated into a handful of areas and is highly skewed towards young alpha males.
Camp Humphreys is the largest U.S. overseas military base and is located in a relatively sparsely populated region.
Also, crime is rare in South Korea, meaning a simple bar fight is considered much more degenerate there than it would be in most of America.

 

[Tentacle Grape]

America is top 3 most-divided all 4 categories: politics, race, religion and settlement geography.

we are also the most diverse in those......hmmm.....

 

[codfather]

we are also the most diverse in those......hmmm.....

Most US states aren't all that diverse.
How many states have 3 or more major ethnic groups? I'd say 9...

1. Hawaii: Asians, Whites, Mixed
2. California: Hispanics, Whites, Asians
3. Florida: Whites, Hispanics, Blacks
4. Illinois: Whites, Hispanics, Blacks
5. New York: Whites, Hispanics, Blacks
6. New Jersey: Whites, Hispanics, Blacks
7. Texas: Whites, Hispanics, Blacks
8. Maryland: Whites, Blacks, Hispanics
9. DC: Blacks, Whites, Hispanics

 

[Dalarna3]

I’m shocked the homogeneous countries have little conflict. Shocked.

 

[codfather]

I’m shocked the homogeneous countries have little conflict. Shocked.

Some of the less divided countries are pretty diverse.
New Zealand is about as white as the US was 15 years ago.
Canada is about as white as the US was 20 years ago.
Australia is about as white as the US was 25 years ago.
Singapore is about as Chinese as the US was white 25 years ago.

It's weird how rapidly diversity has come to places like Australia.
I think 13 of their 15 starters in the 1999 Rugby World Cup final winning team were white. The 2 exceptions being George Gregan and Toutai Kefu.

 

[lilelvis]

Most respondents in the U.S are likely answering from what they see on the news and not reflective of the actual state of things.
Propaganda FTW

 

[Ruprecht]

It is very very odd that South Korea would be in the list that has a high % of people showing " strong/very conflicts" between people of different ethnic or racial background. SK is one of the most homogenous nations in the world, probably the most homogenous. Virtually everyone there is ethnic Korean.

It's not that odd. It's a perceptions index on a topical issue. S. Korea is having to resort to ever increasing immigrant labour due to their economic growth, low fertility rate and rapidly aging population. With their "temporary" foreign workers, and especially in agricultural labour and construction, they are repeating a pattern seen in the rest of the developed world decades ago with the development of ethnic underclasses. Although the ethnic Koreans that were repatriated from the former Soviet Union (Stalin ethnically cleansed them from the top of the peninsula in the late '30s, deporting them to Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan) didn't fare much better.