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Pesticides Linked to Bee Death Allowed in US Wildlife Refuges

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  1. Orgasmo Silver Belt

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    How much do you think Monsanto paid Trump's swamp creatures for this to go ahead?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45068650

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/neonicotinoid-pesticides-slowly-killing-bees

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    Bees don't pay taxes, fuck em.
     
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    who needs bees when you've got maga
     
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    That sucks.
     
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    That Zinke dude is pure grifter scum.
     
  7. Madmick Zugzwang Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    This is probably the biggest story right now involving corporate lobbies stifling dissemination of information, and yet none of the usual anti-establishment tinfoilers shows up. What has you distracted?

    Fungicides and pesticides are killing the bees, and therefore killing entire industries. Big Pharma doesn't care. It doesn't threaten corn, and more importantly, it creates a whole new market they can monopolize should they create some mutant solution to the natural need for pollination.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neonicotinoid
    Nope, it's just our #1/#2/#3 corn and soy insecticides! This threatens small orchards and family operations everywhere. It threatens a slew of crops (chiefly fruits). Doesn't threaten the megalobby built around corn or soy. Imidacloprid and Thiamethoxam are $1.7bn+ product annually just by themselves. That doesn't even look at the value of the increased yields of the crops on which we use it, since land is limited, and how much revenue those yields represent. I'm sure it's tens of billions.

    That's a concentrated industry with a powerful lobby. Big Ag and Big Pharma are working together to stifle this. The bees are going to die, and farmers that aren't part of this massive industry are going to find themselves without a crop, and in need of a new line of work. This is going to wipe out walnuts which is the primary crop in my (conservative btw) county. Apiarists tend to be self-employed entrepreneurs who make very good money, here. Meanwhile, what happens to all those fruits at the farmer's market? Everyone is selling corn or some mutant Monsanto crop that doesn't require pollination.

    Now Trump won't even keep industrial ag out of wildlife refuges. So much for Mr. Smith standing up to the bullies.


    @jefferz
    @Farmer Br0wn
     
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    On one hand, this threatens to jeopardize the very survival of our ecological world.

    But, on the other hand, it totally pisses off the libs.
     
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    You truly believe bees are going out significantly from this bot like article? LOL!

    This place needs a IQ vetting system put in place.
     
  10. Madmick Zugzwang Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    You realize the massive decline in the bee population has been a major concern of the US agricultural industry since 2006, don't you?

    You belong in the Sports Bar.
     
  11. Lord Commander Palis Superior Genetics Banned

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    You truly beelieve everything don't you? Everything that $ goes into becomes a major concern for the US.
     
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  12. Madmick Zugzwang Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    I didn't believe Kobe was the GOAT, and you've been paying that bill for a while, now. You're also not looking so bright on the Russian thing.

    I bet you read this...
    The Bee Apocalypse Was Never Real; Here's Why
    ...and decided you wanted to believe only its conclusions.

    I actually know beekeepers. I was comforted by headlines like this last year:
    Honeybees Ravaged by 'Colony Collapse Disorder' Are Making a Huge Comeback
    But if you actually read these reports:
    Also from last year:
    Largest-ever study of controversial pesticides finds harm to bees
    Scientists say the industry-funded work confirms that neonicotinoids are harmful, but manufacturers question its conclusions.

    Can't deny that link anymore. Anything about that familiar? You recall how the corporations resisted these early warning signs with nicotine itself? Of course it doesn't cause cancer, they said.

    The CCD mystery has been the harbinger of the greater problem; scientists already had attributed this to a conflation of insecticides and fungicides negatively affecting hive health as far back as 2013, and how that left the hive weakened and vulnerable to other adversities. 90% of wild honeybees/pollinators dying is an indication of a major threat to the long-term stability of our own hives. It is hurting the health of the whole ecosystem. These aren't farmed fish. They depend on the environment wherever they are kept. We're putting these insecticides in the water itself.

    Just breeding more bees doesn't address the root problem. I can see that you don't care about the environment, so just evaluate it from the point of the potential threat to profits/loss:
    After all, if some pesticide we used on grass that we feed to cattle polluted the ecosystem and ravaged 90% of the wild bovine or wild horse populations around the globe...I think you might be a bit more alarmed. Just breeding more domestic cows to stay ahead of replacement is like adding more logs to the top of your Jenga castle without addressing the major gap in its foundation, and is definitely not a stable long-term solution to moving upward.
     
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    I can't facepalm hard enough to this news.

    It's like we can't fuck up this planet fast enough and are actively pushing for a dystopian future.

    Man, humanity is ultra depressing right now.
     
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    in Sweden we have been placing bee hives on rooftops for a while now, because we learned that they can actually be kind of useful.


    but if you want to kill off every last bee (even the ones in your national parks), then I suppose that is also one way to go about it.
     
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    This can't bee right, but I guess these companies believe they can make honey without bees..
     
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    Why do you hate the Sports Bar so much?
     
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    These dudes are massively triggered about now

     
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    It's where the men actually do fight vs each other IRL. Come on over there sometime.
     
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