People saying GSP is the 'goat' cuz he's clean have never watched Fedor fight or are from Canada

[grimballer]

Jon's the most fun fighter to watch but he's doing his business in 205

Casuals love spectacle, so it's far easier to mint "stars" at LHW, but the talent pool is so embarrassingly shallow they once had to feed Jon two consecutive 185ers as "challengers" for the 205 belt

WW is far deeper

That’s cause he cleaned the most competitive division in short time.

On the other hand gsp beat up natural lw n one dimensional ww. Once he faced a well rounded ww who can wrestle n strike he got his ass kicked n ran away from the sport

 

[Rum]

That’s cause he cleaned the most competitive division in short time

In only Jon's 2nd defence the division was so shallow they had to feed him a guy on a 1-2 skid with no relevant wins in the previous 2 years

While the likes of Aldo and GSP routinely defended against opponents with legitimate momentum in the division, right from the start of Jon's reign they struggled to find challengers who had a win streak of more than 2 ... in fact of Jon's first SIX title fights only 1 opponent had an active LHW win streak of more than 2

LHW has always had "names" because casuals love spectacle, and bigger = more spectacle, but talent-wise it's been pitiful next to legit beast-rich divisions like FW, LW and WW

 

[green giant]

GSP and Fedor are both goats. Jones is out of the conversation due to the freaken obvious ROIDS. Jeezo you dummies keep on with the jones talk even though he did roids, you are just too stupid to know you're stupid.

 

[Verint]

So we can't say prime Chuck would have beaten Tito a 3rd time? Because "prime is stupid"? Prime is just a word used to assess an individual's best form. It is used in all sports and walks of life. Prime Jennifer Anniston, prime MJ, prime Tiger Woods. Prime is a real thing. It's hard to say with certainty when it is for each individual but it has always been and will always be used to compare.

Prime Aniston was a New York 7.5

 

[MR.HUNT]

GSP is the best all a round MMA fighter so far.

 

[grimballer]

In only Jon's 2nd defence the division was so shallow they had to feed him a guy on a 1-2 skid with no relevant wins in the previous 2 years

The division has always had "names" because casuals love spectacle, and bigger = more spectacle, but talent-wise it's been pitiful next to legit beast-rich divisions like FW, LW and WW

That’s cause all the top guys were fighting each other n giving each other losses.

Lhw was easily the most competitive division at that time.

Then jones came n make everybody look like amateurs.

Compare that to ww division where a guy would go on a 7 fight win streak vs nobodies, then face gsp, get exposed n then become sub .500 fighter after facing top guys.

Are we suppose to pretend that kos, Alves, condit, Hughes are better n more well rounded than shogun, machida, Evans n rampage?

 

[NILLI]

I have followed this sport forever and can say that Fedor is not the goat. Hw is the shittiest division and goats do not get KTFO by 40 year old MW fighters when they are 34.

 

[grimballer]

I have followed this sport forever and can say that Fedor is not the goat. Hw is the shittiest division and goats do not get KTFO by 40 year old MW fighters when they are 34.

But goats tap to strikes in their prime vs 9-4 lw journeyman with 0 wins by ko/tko?

 

[Make Sherdog Great Again]

Fedor beats both because he fought in the heavyweight division

Fighting exclusively in the weakest division in the history of the sport doesn't make you GOAT.

 

[DeathByCaranos]

Gsp ran away from the sport in his prime (32) after getting a gift decision vs Hendricks who’s no longer in ufc.

At 32 fedor was 31-1 with his only loss being a tko due to cut.

31-1 > 25-2

Correct. I think people are also forgetting that "clean" GSP slinked away from the sport as soon as USADA was implemented into the UFC. Hendricks was making all sorts of accusations that George was using before their fight, and Hendricks would know. He was eating bowls of bull testicles every morning to up his T-levels.

 

[americanphenom]

I watched Fedor get murdered by a Middleweight, and get pieced up by Maldonato. Hard pass from me on the GOAT status bro.

exactly !!!!!!

 

[ImCertainOfCirkunov]

For me its always been Fedor and GSP. No need to try and pick between them, two once in a lifetime athletes.

Jones is there as well. But i cannot and will not forget the juice. JJ is the Barry Bonds of MMA.

One of, if not the best, of all time....with a big big asterisk next to his name.

 

[Mike K.O]

Classic "HW are the best, because KO power" BS
Let me tell you something, The Freckled Wonder was 170lbs when he won the HW title in boxing
Stanley Ketchel (a MW) knocked the HW champ Jack Johnson down
And here is a more recent example

 

[VVarhead]

Fighting exclusively in the weakest division in the history of the sport doesn't make you GOAT.

HW is also the hardest division to be consistent at, because everyone can KO anyone at any time.
Hence why the longest title-defense streak in the UFC at HW is 3.

 

[Rum]

That’s cause all the top guys were fighting each other n giving each other losses.

Lhw was easily the most competitive division at that time.

Then jones came n make everybody look like amateurs.

Compare that to ww division where a guy would go on a 7 fight win streak vs nobodies, then face gsp, get exposed n then become sub .500 fighter after facing top guys.

Are we suppose to pretend that kos, Alves, condit, Hughes are better n more well rounded than shogun, machida, Evans n rampage?

Psh, "competitive" has jack shit to do with talent level. Fourth division peewee football can be competitive.

Want to know why the smart money had Jonny Picograms as favourite in every single title fight, INCLUDING his very first one? Because everyone who knows anything about this game saw what busted Rua looked like the last time he'd come off knee surgery, when he embarrassed himself struggling to get past a 734 year-old Coleman who hadn't fought in 17 years. How about Jackson deep into his "Please don't wrestle me" phase of his career? Nah. Maybe little Machida as a short notice injury fill-in off a shitty 1-2 skid with losses to over-the-hill Jackson and busted Rua could make a run of it against Jon? Fuck off.

LHW was so shallow when it came to top talent that of Jon's first SIX title fight opponents only Evans - a small LHW - could reasonably have been said to be somewhere near his best when he stepped into the cage with Jon.

This bullshit UFC hype narrative of Jon's early "strength of schedule" is based on level of celebrity of opponents, not fighting ability.

Thing about legit deep divisions like FW, LW and WW - unlike 205 - is that a whole bunch of the "nobodies" are beasts who are only "nobodies" because the division is so deep and there are even beastlier beasts above them.

 

[Dilan Cummingsworth]

Everybody is allowed to have their own opinion and mine is that GSP is the greatest welterweight but not the overall greatest

 

[Perrichet]

Jon Jones outranks GSP easily. More impressive resume. Fedor beats both because he fought in the heavyweight division. A division where it was literally a coin toss on who would win every time due to the striking power.

GSP's biggest win is BJ Penn who moved UP to fight GSP. Sherdog Facts

Lol

 

[Strijfy]

not really sure what the argument is TBH

 

[Strijfy]

Correct. I think people are also forgetting that "clean" GSP slinked away from the sport as soon as USADA was implemented into the UFC. Hendricks was making all sorts of accusations that George was using before their fight, and Hendricks would know. He was eating bowls of bull testicles every morning to up his T-levels.

youre making up your own history now

 

[ostlerrage]

Jones is juiced to the gills. Was, is and always will be. End of story.
Gsp and fedor are the two.