People are underestimating Ronda

[Gunny]

I want to see her physical condition. If she's in good shape she runs through Nunes with sherdog-tear-inducing ease. If we're talking about her looking ill at the weighing as was the case before the Holm fight then Nunes may have a chance

 

[scardera]

I want to see her physical condition. If she's in good shape she runs through Nunes with sherdog-tear-inducing ease. If we're talking about her looking ill at the weighing as was the case before the Holm fight then Nunes may have a chance

here come the white knight with excuses

 

[HHJ]

People were OVERestimating ronda.

Her standup is god-awful. Just chicks went full-retard & bum rushed.

woulda worked on most of the other girls. If you throw punches hard and it knocks people out as she had been doing,its not that bad really. She just was crazy to not have a plan B against Holm. She actually did hurt holm with one of those punches,it knocked her mouthpiece out. Her punching looks bad because she was facing someone who is a world class boxer and tried to beat her at her own game,and because of the mma media hype,but trust that if Ronda was able to get off the other aspects of her game,and didnt charge relentlessly ahead,she could have knocked her out ala Hendo/shogun 2,and it wouldnt matter how pretty or ugly her punching is,does it have the power to knock people out? yes it does. It made Edmund look the worst cos he should have been able to do better with her than that.

 

[LordMayorMuffSniff]

Ronda will always have a place in the octagon....and the competition is past UFC 1 level. Its not as bad as all that,and remember we are also still talking about 135ers,115ers,even the mens division dont have the high rate of savage knockouts that other divisions have. Yes they have catching up to do,but I think Holm's skillset in particular,the footwork and angles is what gave ronda alot of trouble. You can have other girls who are multifaceted who can still get murked by Ronda. She is a specialist. So is Khabib. You can be successful if your specialty is that strong. Saying she has no place in the octagon for any reason is ridiculous. She paved the way for the women and physically has what she needs. Mentally is the big question mark now.

Khabib is a specialist, as is Satoshii Ishii, but they can still chain together more aspects of MMA to close distance. Judo is always one of the tougher grappling disciplines to have as a base once MMA progesses into a more professional era [And WMMA is getting there - Yes it's past UFC 1 now, but it's still raw].

Judo unlike wrestling limits your options somewhat. Maia is a good example. He's an incredible judoka [See the Sonnen fight for his best work], but his success was always limited... As MMA developed, the clinch becomes a more dangerous place to voluntarily be, and he had to resort to shooting from the other side of the octagon to get to his BJJ [Strength no.2] - Now his striking is just good enough to chain everything together almost 15 years later...

But Ronda is still at bullrush and toss. And even for someone with zero judo background, once WMMA gets past the 'raw stages' what Ronda used to do becomes almost like a hail mary move... It just doesn't work. WMMA isn't there yet though, so Ronda can still be effective.

 

[Gunny]

here come the white knight with excuses

Pretty derpy reply TBH.

 

[HHJ]

Khabib is a specialist, as is Satoshii Ishii, but they can still chain together more aspects of MMA to close distance. Judo is always one of the tougher grappling disciplines to have as a base once MMA progesses into a more professional era [And WMMA is getting there - Yes it's past UFC 1 now, but it's still raw].

Judo unlike wrestling limits your options somewhat. Maia is a good example. He's an incredible judoka [See the Sonnen fight for his best work], but his success was always limited... As MMA developed, the clinch becomes more dangerous, and he had to resort to shooting from the other side of the octagon to get to his BJJ [Strength no.2] - Now his striking is just good enough to chain everything together...

But Ronda is still at bullrush and toss. And even for someone with zero judo background, once WMMA gets past the 'raw stages' what Ronda used to do becomes almost like a hail mary move... It just doesn't work. WMMA isn't there yet though, so Ronda can still be effective.

I agree that if she could have shot for the legs she def could have won that fight...but i just wish she could have even faked that to get inside. I think she had said she had bad knees from her judo career.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

She went on international television and said she seriously contemplated suicide because she lost a fight.


She has other problems to deal with.

Can anyone imagine Ronda's psychee after losing another fight under the bright lights?

She really shouldn't be fighting.




Nunes wins in under 2 rounds.

 

[LordMayorMuffSniff]

I agree that if she could have shot for the legs she def could have won that fight...but i just wish she could have even faked that to get inside. I think she had said she had bad knees from her judo career.

I don't think it's that easy. A bad shot is like a bad punch. Wrestlers have years of practice to get it down to a science. Afew subtle errors and you can get choked out, or worse knee'd to oblivion.

Over the past decade we've seen why MMA is so tough, because once someone gets found out, they find it very tough to win. Machida for instance. You go on a tear, but once the blueprint becomes available, that fighter has a .5 record.

 

[HHJ]

She went on international television and said she seriously contemplated suicide because she lost a fight.


She has other problems to deal with.

Can anyone imagine Ronda's psychee after another fight under the bright lights?

She really shouldn't be fighting.




Nunes wins in under 2 rounds.

Arlovski said he played russian roulette after the losses to Fedor and Rogers.
No one uses that against him now. Most didnt even have shit to say about it then either.

 

[HHJ]

I don't think it's that easy. A bad shot is like a bad punch. Wrestlers have years of practice to get it down to a science. Afew subtle errors and you can get choked out, or worse knee'd to oblivion.

Over the past decade we've seen why MMA is so tough, because once someone gets found out, they find it very tough to win. Machida for instance. You go on a tear, but once the blueprint becomes available, that fighter has a .5 record.

I think Machida's style was ALWAYS hard to deal with. Not everyone has the tools to combat it. I think more age and loss of speed/reflexes contributed to his demise. Even if you know what to do against machida,doesnt mean you can pull it off. Weidman gassed himself trying to do it,hahah. Its always one of the most confounding styles anyone in mma has ever had,even if you manage to win...you are probably like "fuck! never again!"

 

[jamiehunter]

I think people underestimating her has more to do with her perceived mental state than doubts about her abilities. Specifically grappling abilities. They're assuming she'll either panic after being hit or will be so full of doubt she won't be able to perform at a high level.

Personally, I don't think her mental state is as bad as people believe but I could be wrong.

 

[MostDangerousGame]

woulda worked on most of the other girls. If you throw punches hard and it knocks people out as she had been doing,its not that bad really. She just was crazy to not have a plan B against Holm. She actually did hurt holm with one of those punches,it knocked her mouthpiece out. Her punching looks bad because she was facing someone who is a world class boxer and tried to beat her at her own game,and because of the mma media hype,but trust that if Ronda was able to get off the other aspects of her game,and didnt charge relentlessly ahead,she could have knocked her out ala Hendo/shogun 2,and it wouldnt matter how pretty or ugly her punching is,does it have the power to knock people out? yes it does. It made Edmund look the worst cos he should have been able to do better with her than that.

Ronda is a 1 trick pony.

Many of those have been exposed around here lately.

 

[HHJ]

Ronda is a 1 trick pony.

Many of those have been exposed around here lately.

Nope. She has won with submissions,punches,knees,GNP. etc.

I know you feel stupid now,but you could have just looked at fight finder dude bro

 

[bowl300]

I'm not underestimating her at all. She is totally capable of winning.

But the only evidence I've seen of her mental state. Tells me she is fucked. Hasn't done a legit mma interview in 13 months. Can't even handle a 30 - 45 minute pre-fight presser, ffs.

If you think that's a good sign. I'd say you're overestimating her.

#FearTheRerun is more like it.

I agreed that her mental state is a question mark. However, as far as her media interviews are concerned, Connor did not want to do the media either before Diaz2. He wanted to send the time correcting problems by training not talking. And was very prepared for the second fight. Ronda could be doing the same thing. She does strike me as a laser focused person.

 

[MostDangerousGame]

Nope. She has won with submissions,punches,knees,GNP. etc.

I know you feel stupid now,but you could have just looked at fight finder dude bro

lol.

Ronda IS a 1 trick pony. Insert Headkick.gif

 

[HHJ]

lol.

Ronda IS a 1 trick pony. Insert Headkick.gif

well you certainly showed me!

 

[LordMayorMuffSniff]

I think Machida's style was ALWAYS hard to deal with. Not everyone has the tools to combat it. I think more age and loss of speed/reflexes contributed to his demise. Even if you know what to do against machida,doesnt mean you can pull it off. Weidman gassed himself trying to do it,hahah. Its always one of the most confounding styles anyone in mma has ever had,even if you manage to win...you are probably like "fuck! never again!"

I guess my point is, and I'll use Weidman as an example, he would have more than likely lost, if he faced Machida when Rashad did... And alternatively, if Rashad faced Machida when Weidman did, Rashad may have had a better shot. The unknown is tough to overcome [Especially against a skilled opponent].

Machida has definitely declined, but the fight game is also about holding your cards close to your chest, especially as a champ. Once a weakness is revealed, it's hard to correct, especially in MMA, because there will always be someone with a career BG in the skill you are weak at.

Anderson is probably the best case of a guy who defied his weakness for a long time. He was known as a poor wrestler forever but his BJJ off his back limited the damage.

The key to Ronda, and you probably hit the nail on the head in your first post, is that her plan B shouldn't be striking. It's just not her forte and never will be. Her plan B should b wrestling, but as you've said, her knees are shot, and that might make things very difficult for her moving forward.

 

[HHJ]

I guess my point is, and I'll use Weidman as an example, he would have more than likely lost, if he faced Machida when Rashad did... And alternatively, if Rashad faced Machida when Weidman did, Rashad may have had a better shot. The unknown is tough to overcome [Especially against a skilled opponent].

Machida has definitely declined, but the fight game is also about holding your cards close to your chest, especially as a champ. Once a weakness is revealed, it's hard to correct, especially in MMA, because there will always be someone with a career BG in the skill you are weak at.

Anderson is probably the best case of a guy who defied his weakness for a long time. He was known as a poor wrestler forever but his BJJ off his back limited the damage.

The key to Ronda, and you probably hit the nail on the head in your first post, is that her plan B shouldn't be striking. It's just not her forte and never will be. Her plan B should b wrestling, but as you've said, her knees are shot, and that might make things very difficult for her moving forward.

Good post,Pretty much agree.

 

[War Pig]

Nope. She has won with submissions,punches,knees,GNP. etc.

I know you feel stupid now,but you could have just looked at fight finder dude bro

Yea neither one is 1 dimensional.

 

[jamiehunter]

I want to see her physical condition. If she's in good shape she runs through Nunes with sherdog-tear-inducing ease. If we're talking about her looking ill at the weighing as was the case before the Holm fight then Nunes may have a chance

Rumor has it she's in great shape and I think she looked pretty good doing Conan a couple weeks ago.