Opinion People’s Republic of China is the Nazi Germany of the 21st century

[Raptac]

They aren't socialist, if by socialist you intend to draw parallels to Bernie and Western European type democratic socialism.

They are Communist in name only. China is a hard-nosed Capitalist 1 party fascist state. If they were Communist, they wouldn't allow people to start and own businesses , including owning the means of production.

China has the 2nd highest number of billionaires in the world.
China has the 2nd highest number of millionaires.
Chinese companies and individuals are in cahoots with Western multi-nationals.

Its cute, you actually think they are the true owners of these businesses ehh.

They Are CCP controlled and owned, but as loyal commie dogs that toe the commie line they get to live life as billionaires.

 

[MicroBrew]

Socialist internally. With some degree. Regarding state ownership. Etc.

We can say the same thing for many countries, countries that are not normally called Socialist, and by Socialist I mean Communist and not Democratic Socialism.

France has many leading global brands that have significant State ownership, but France isn't a Socialist / Communist country.

 

[MicroBrew]

Its cute, you actually think they are the true owners of these businesses ehh.

They Are CCP controlled and owned, but as loyal commie dogs that toe the commie line they get to live life as billionaires.

China's big business are linked to the CCP, but that is fascism, where you have State and Business melding together for the benefit of the nation state. Companies like Alibaba were started by individuals and is still owned by the founder, so to say all big business is state owned is not accurate. State owned corporation in China are a different category.

 

[Oceanmachine]

We can say the same thing for many countries, countries that are not normally called Socialist, and by Socialist I mean Communist and not Democratic Socialism.

France has many leading global brands that have significant State ownership, but France isn't a Socialist / Communist country.

I consider the Nazis to be a right wing movement that put a right wing darwinist spin on economical socialism. Noting different types of nationalism and socialism exist.

To me it is comically stupid when American right wingers claim the Nazis are left wing socialists. These idiots ignore that the type of nationalism and science and philosophy of the Nazis was all in essence right wing and exreteme darwinist right wing that maybe turned it up a notch compared to the Berlin conference or British created famines in India and Africa.

The Nazis were socialist in many ways economically. A degree of socialism. And oddly enough the extreme white nationalist right wings love for them is further proof of the superiority of a degree of central planning an a collectivist society. The argument is always WHOM do benefits get extended to. Similarly many religions and ethno religions have s socislistic base to them for their followers NOT be fully extended to outsiders. Nowhere in socialisms defined principles or on wikipedia does it say socialism must be an egalitarian liberal perspective for all people of the world. For example Marx himself and his friends were all racists hardcore and didnt consider some groups really human. Do you think in his ideal futjre socialist state that then goes to communism that such benefits or non humans would be in his society? Again. The economics dont need to be confused with whom derives them.

The Nazis also made use of capitalism. To me a better example of the failures of capitalism is disorder, laisez faire policies anf the very fact that the militant right wing always prescribes fascist and socialistic means as a way to save themselves from a pure capitalist state.


So again the Nazis are fascists who took and applied many socialistic principles in a racially fascist and selective manner.

 

[nefti]

Look how bernie is deeptroating socialist china

 

[tramendous]

Racist, totalitarian empire at odds with the global world order, coming off a long period of rapid economic growth.

The government needs to be toppled, the oppressed nations under China’s colonial oppression need to be liberated, and permanent military bases need to be stationed in China’s major cities for permanent occupation while the people are free to reconstruct their country into an economic miracle richer than anything the world has ever seen.

A new alliance with Russia is needed to end the diabolical menace that is the PRC.

Napoleon France, Kaiser Germany, Nazi Germany : out-of-control states that we’re brought to heel through a Russian alliance.

Bet you wont sign up and sign your kids up to storm their beaches. I for one dont want to risk nuclear war for it.

 

[tramendous]

For sure- bt there was justification for the Germans starting WW2.

Hard truth.

What was the justification for invasion of Poland?

 

[7437]

Bet you wont sign up and sign your kids up to storm their beaches. I for one dont want to risk nuclear war for it.

My brother just started a business in china. An english school for kids Cant imagine he'd like nuclear war either.

 

[SammyPops]

What was the justification for invasion of Poland?

None. As I clearly stated in another post, that was one line the Germans crossed.

I am sure you know that oru ally uncle joe invaded Poland too.

 

[tramendous]

None. As I clearly stated in another post, that was one line the Germans crossed.

I am sure you know that oru ally uncle joe invaded Poland too.

So the one line the Germans crossed was the one that started WW2. How exactly was Germany justified in starting WW2? Germany had just remilitarized, had annexed sudetenland and then all of Czechoslovakia and before that Austria. The allies drew a line and said no more and the little mustache asshole said fuck you. Do you honestly think that declaring war on Russia and pushing the USSR to a formal alliance with Germany would have been the smart thing to do?

 

[SammyPops]

So the one line the Germans crossed was the one that started WW2. How exactly was Germany justified in starting WW2? Germany had just remilitarized, had annexed sudetenland and then all of Czechoslovakia and before that Austria. The allies drew a line and said no more and the little mustache asshole said fuck you. Do you honestly think that declaring war on Russia and pushing the USSR to a formal alliance with Germany would have been the smart thing to do?

Was the invasion of Poland, along with heir alley uncle joe, the ONLY "start" of WW2? If so, I guess you could argue uncle joe, our eventual ally, started WW2.

You can obviously point to a TON of shit the Germans did wrong. My point is that WW2 was set in place when the allies forced the treaty of Versailles on the germans.

Edit: to further the Versailles argument, Poland was given German teritoyr in that treaty. Germany took it back (and a lot more) when they invaded Poland.

 

[tramendous]

Was the invasion of Poland, along with heir alley uncle joe, the ONLY "start" of WW2? If so, I guess you could argue uncle joe, our eventual ally, started WW2.

You can obviously point to a TON of shit the Germans did wrong. My point is that WW2 was set in place when the allies forced the treaty of Versailles on the germans.

i don't know why you keep calling him uncle Joe but its really lame lol. In regards to your question of was it the only 'start', well yes it was since that is when you know, the war started. Poland had allied itself with both France and UK and did it recently so obviously France and UK drew a line for Germany. Anyways, by the time of Poland, the treaty of Versailles had been largely reversed and the reason why the war started was not just Versailles but the larger ideological Nazi framework and needing a war to achieve their aim of "Autarky" or self sufficiency from the rest of the world economy which they believed was controlled by Jews. They had the insane plan to not just conquer the East, but to then subject its people to annihilation and enslavement.

Here is a quote from Hitler:
“The [eastern] region must lose the character of the Asiatic steppe, it must be Europeanized! It is for this purpose that we are building great highways to the southern tip of the Crime and to the Caucasus. German cities established along these roadways will stretch like a string of pearls, and around these will be German settlements. The two or three million people we need [for this program] can be found quicker than we think. We will take them from Germany, the Scandinavian lands, Western Europe, and America. Chances are that I will not live to see this, but in twenty years twenty million people will inhabit this territory. In three hundred years we will have a blossoming parkland of extraordinary beauty!

There is only one task: Germanization through the introduction of Germans [to the area] and to treat the original inhabitants like Indians. … I intend to stay this course with ice-cold determination. I feel myself to be the executor of the will of History. What people think of me at present is all of no consequence. Never have I heard a German who has bread to eat express concern that the ground where the grain was grown had to be conquered by the sword. We eat Canadian wheat and never think of the Indians."
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/GPO/gpo sources.htm

 

[TheGreatA]

i don't know why you keep calling him uncle Joe but its really lame lol. In regards to your question of was it the only 'start', well yes it was since that is when you know, the war started. Poland had allied itself with both France and UK and did it recently so obviously France and Poland drew a line for Germany. Anyways, by the time of Poland, the treaty of Versailles had been largely reversed and the reason why the war started was not just Versailles but the larger ideological Nazi framework and needing a war to achieve their aim of "Autarky" or self sufficiency from the rest of the world economy which they believed was controlled by Jews. They had the insane plan to not just conquer the East, but to then subject its people to annihilation and enslavement.

Here is a quote from Hitler:
“The [eastern] region must lose the character of the Asiatic steppe, it must be Europeanized! It is for this purpose that we are building great highways to the southern tip of the Crime and to the Caucasus. German cities established along these roadways will stretch like a string of pearls, and around these will be German settlements. The two or three million people we need [for this program] can be found quicker than we think. We will take them from Germany, the Scandinavian lands, Western Europe, and America. Chances are that I will not live to see this, but in twenty years twenty million people will inhabit this territory. In three hundred years we will have a blossoming parkland of extraordinary beauty!

There is only one task: Germanization through the introduction of Germans [to the area] and to treat the original inhabitants like Indians. … I intend to stay this course with ice-cold determination. I feel myself to be the executor of the will of History. What people think of me at present is all of no consequence. Never have I heard a German who has bread to eat express concern that the ground where the grain was grown had to be conquered by the sword. We eat Canadian wheat and never think of the Indians."
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/GPO/gpo sources.htm

"Uncle Joe" is what he was called by Western media at the time.

Both USSR and Nazis engineered and started the WW2 (with the invasion of Poland). Hitler and Stalin came up with a plan to carve up the "weak Europe" between the two. What Stalin was, for whatever reason, blind towards, is the fact that Hitler was intending to "take it all".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact#Secret_protocol

 

[tramendous]

"Uncle Joe" is what he was called by Western media at the time.

Both USSR and Nazis engineered and started the WW2. Hitler and Stalin came up with a plan to carve up the "weak Europe" between the two. What Stalin was, for whatever reason, blind towards, is the fact that Hitler was intending to "take it all".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact#Secret_protocol

yes of course but what i was responding to was the other poster stating Germany was justified in starting ww2 but then also stating invasion of Poland was unjustified. He then explained it was guaranteed because of versailles but the ideology of Nazis and Hitler would have started a war regardless of Versailles. To say that Germany was justified in starting a war of annihilation with Eastern Europe and war with UK, France and other allies because of Versailles is weird.

 

[SammyPops]

"Uncle Joe" is what he was called by Western media at the time.

Both USSR and Nazis engineered and started the WW2. Hitler and Stalin came up with a plan to carve up the "weak Europe" between the two. What Stalin was, for whatever reason, blind towards, is the fact that Hitler was intending to "take it all".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact#Secret_protocol

I'm glad someone got the Uncle Joe thing smh

i don't know why you keep calling him uncle Joe but its really lame lol. In regards to your question of was it the only 'start', well yes it was since that is when you know, the war started. Poland had allied itself with both France and UK and did it recently so obviously France and UK drew a line for Germany. Anyways, by the time of Poland, the treaty of Versailles had been largely reversed and the reason why the war started was not just Versailles but the larger ideological Nazi framework and needing a war to achieve their aim of "Autarky" or self sufficiency from the rest of the world economy which they believed was controlled by Jews. They had the insane plan to not just conquer the East, but to then subject its people to annihilation and enslavement.

Here is a quote from Hitler:
“The [eastern] region must lose the character of the Asiatic steppe, it must be Europeanized! It is for this purpose that we are building great highways to the southern tip of the Crime and to the Caucasus. German cities established along these roadways will stretch like a string of pearls, and around these will be German settlements. The two or three million people we need [for this program] can be found quicker than we think. We will take them from Germany, the Scandinavian lands, Western Europe, and America. Chances are that I will not live to see this, but in twenty years twenty million people will inhabit this territory. In three hundred years we will have a blossoming parkland of extraordinary beauty!

There is only one task: Germanization through the introduction of Germans [to the area] and to treat the original inhabitants like Indians. … I intend to stay this course with ice-cold determination. I feel myself to be the executor of the will of History. What people think of me at present is all of no consequence. Never have I heard a German who has bread to eat express concern that the ground where the grain was grown had to be conquered by the sword. We eat Canadian wheat and never think of the Indians."
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/GPO/gpo sources.htm

lol at not knowing the Uncle Joe thing. Did they stop teaching this or something?

I posted earlier in theis thread that mthe treaty of Versailles was still in legit effect

I'm done going in circles in this thread, so I'll just leave it like this, how I started it.


WW2 was set in action post-WW1 treaty. We learned from this and adjusted our actions towars Germany and Japan post WW2.

 

[tramendous]

I'm glad someone got the Uncle Joe thing smh



lol at not knowing the Uncle Joe thing. Did they stop teaching this or something?

I posted earlier in theis thread that mthe treaty of Versailles was still in legit effect

I'm done going in circles in this thread, so I'll just leave it like this, how I started it.


WW2 was set in action post-WW1 treaty. We learned from this and adjusted our actions towars Germany and Japan post WW2.

I had heard it before the same way I have heard people call Conor, Conrad mcgillicutty but I never knew it was taught lol

 

[TheGreatA]

yes of course but what i was responding to was the other poster stating Germany was justified in starting ww2 but then also stating invasion of Poland was unjustified. He then explained it was guaranteed because of versailles but the ideology of Nazis and Hitler would have started a war regardless of Versailles. To say that Germany was justified in starting a war of annihilation with Eastern Europe and war with UK, France and other allies because of Versailles is weird.

Starting wars is never really justified, however, Germany probably did have a case about them being treated badly after WW1, despite hardly being the only war-mongerers involved.

Hitler was in so many ways a direct consequence of the way that WW1 had turned out for the Germans. He was an agent of the military who was ordered to infiltrate the political parties and foster a pro-militaristic/ultra-nationalistic attitude among citizens, so that the military structure could survive against democratic/communist pressure. None of this would have probably been successfully if not for Germany being excessively burdened with the peace terms, as well as the pressure of USSR from the East. His manic speeches and exaggerated behaviour would've resided in the fringes, where it belonged.

We can't discount the fear that a leader like Stalin was capable of creating. Imagine if you lived as basically a neighbour to Stalin's USSR? Rumours of millions of people being purged, millions dying of starvation, as well as massive armaments? Soviets attacking Poland, Finland and many others. Germany raised Hitler as their answer to him. Just like the West saw Stalin as a demon to fight another demon in Hitler, the Germans saw Hitler as their demon to fight Stalin. It was really just a flip of the coin between those two.

Concentration camps, gassing of people, replacement of ethnic groups, massive political purges, all of these things occured in the USSR before Hitler ever came to prominence. We shouldn't discount USSR and Stalin as the originators of a lot of the atrocious villainy of WW2-era times, even though they ended up as the victors. Hitler probably would not have been possible without Stalin's example. The two needed each other in order for a scenario like WW2 to come about.

 

[avenue94]

I'm glad someone got the Uncle Joe thing smh



lol at not knowing the Uncle Joe thing. Did they stop teaching this or something?

I posted earlier in theis thread that mthe treaty of Versailles was still in legit effect

I'm done going in circles in this thread, so I'll just leave it like this, how I started it.


WW2 was set in action post-WW1 treaty. We learned from this and adjusted our actions towars Germany and Japan post WW2.

Your vastly overstating how unjust Versailles was. It was not dissimilar from other treaties from that time period in the indemnities and Germany pretty clearly was the most at fault for WWI's outbreak. Put it this way, had Germany won, any treaty they imposed would have been significantly more punitive than Versailles. You're also missing the big difference between post-WWI and post-WWII Germany, aka total occupation and starting over.

 

[djacobox372]

I see very little comparison between china and 1930's Germany.

They're messed up in an an entirely different way.

 

[Raptac]

Was the invasion of Poland, along with heir alley uncle joe, the ONLY "start" of WW2? If so, I guess you could argue uncle joe, our eventual ally, started WW2.

You can obviously point to a TON of shit the Germans did wrong. My point is that WW2 was set in place when the allies forced the treaty of Versailles on the germans.

Edit: to further the Versailles argument, Poland was given German teritoyr in that treaty. Germany took it back (and a lot more) when they invaded Poland.

your an awesome naxi apologist.