Pelosi throwing shade at AOC

[andnowweknow]

I'm getting the feeling there is a very unusual view of the majority of Democrats or better, the political environment generally. Pelosi is a progressive, you can compare her to people like AOC who is something far to the left of Pelosi, but it becomes semantics at some point. Conservatives (IE, far right republicans) have molded the playing field. In reality, there is no part of the Republican that is even near the center any more so the whole thing is skewed.

 

[xcvbn]

They're really undermining their only shot at winning, shows you where their priorities are.

I am shocked.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Isn't Pelosi right though? If Dems really want to win in 2020, are the more moderate Democrats not the best option to win? Not only win, but maintain power and pass more and effective policy after being voted in?

I say this because I can picture someone like Biden (who I'm not even the biggest fan of) being able to work better with the Republican Party. I'd also picture him better able to work with his own party. You add someone very far left and I can picture it being incredibly more difficult, ultimately being less effective for all involved. Translate that to each level, and I think she is very accurate here.

https://joebiden.info/

 

[Mr Holmes]

No, the best bet is for a sweeping victory, because the Republicans won't work with anyone.

We absolutely have to keep/expand control of the House, take the Senate, and the Presidency. Without the trifecta, nothing of consequence can be done. Republicans have proven unequivocally that they're going to act in bad faith no matter what. They need to be crushed.

Same argument could be made for the Democrats.

 

[BarryDillon]

I'm getting the feeling there is a very unusual view of the majority of Democrats or better, the political environment generally. Pelosi is a progressive, you can compare her to people like AOC who is something far to the left of Pelosi, but it becomes semantics at some point. Conservatives (IE, far right republicans) have molded the playing field. In reality, there is no part of the Republican that is even near the center any more so the whole thing is skewed.

I agree with the second part, so that would make someone like Pelosi a centrist.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Full attack mode? I haven't seen that.

lol, of course you wouldn't.

What are you referring to?

Side note, the Democratic Socialists types hopefully realize that if they want a fighting chance to get anything they want done, which means passing bills (not just rhetoric), they're going to have to get support from the "corporatists" Dems. I completely understand that they want to get their agenda front and center but the tactics they're using have consequences. Abandon moderate (or as you like to smear them as corporatists) Dems and the Dem Socialist policy agenda is DOA. Shit, it's only possible if Dems win back the Senate and Presidency first. The infighting doesn't seem to make sense to me.

The DCCC banning vendors from working with Democrats who primary establishment Democrats
Obama's talk in Europe seeking to marginalize progressive ideas
Pelosi doing the circuit to throw shade on the progressive wing
Stenny Hoyer's embarrassing speech at AIPAC
The deafening silence from DNC leadership when Ilhan Omar was attacked with racist, right wing, violence inciting attacks.
The media attacks coordinated by CAP on Sanders for not being homeless.

 

[ultramanhyata]

She probably used common sense and looked around the country at how people are reacting to AOC her ideas and doesn't want a divided democratic party going into 2020.

Yeah, sure. I guess the way to avoid dividing the party is to team up with the DCCC and the CFAP and throw bombs at members of the progressive wing.

 

[BarryDillon]

lol, of course you wouldn't.
The DCCC banning vendors from working with Democrats who primary establishment Democrats
Obama's talk in Europe seeking to marginalize progressive ideas
Pelosi doing the circuit to throw shade on the progressive wing
Stenny Hoyer's embarrassing speech at AIPAC
The deafening silence from DNC leadership when Ilhan Omar was attacked with racist, right wing, violence inciting attacks.
The media attacks coordinated by CAP on Sanders for not being homeless.

TBF, only the homeless understand socialism.

 

[BarryDillon]

Yeah, sure. I guess the way to avoid dividing the party is to team up with the DCCC and the CFAP and throw bombs at members of the progressive wing.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Yea I know, but that's besides the point. Biden could ramp it up overnight and all the jokes would be irrelevant. And again Biden isn't my first, second, or third choice, but I'm speaking pragmatically.

As great as Bernie is, look at the levels of infighting he has to battle. Think bigger picture, unless you are enjoying the Trump era. You take a moderate Dem with clout vs a far left Dem. What argument do you make that the far left Dem would not only defeat Trump, but would be able to work better to pass policy while in office?

Biden isn't going to make it to the primaries and if he does he's going to get stomped.
On the hail mary shot he gets to the general, I don't think he can survive the no holds barred Creepy Uncle Joe campaign Trump would wage.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Biden isn't going to make it to the primaries and if he does he's going to get stomped.

Biden's lead in Iowa polls both shocks and worries me TBH.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

My "way too early" favorite is Mayor Pete. And I'd vote for a literal turd over Trump so obviously Biden over Trump is a very easy vote for me. I think you're right, he's not the best candidate, but he's good enough. And it's annoying to see people like AOC say things like "Biden presidential run doesn't excite me". Grow the fuck up.

Its actually you who should grow up. lol at attacking somebody for not getting excited about a Joe Biden run. Are you serious?
Biden has one of the worst voting records of any Democrat not named Hillary Clinton.
He is a gaff machine with a history laced with bigotry, war mongering, and videos of him molesting woman and children.
Why would anybody get excited about a losing campaign? If only more Democrats has the courage to say the same thing about Clinton's campaign we might not have Trump in WH.

 

[Joe265]

Basically she's saying people are so married to membership to their respective parties they don't give shit about anything else. They just want to see their side win.

 

[kpt018]

lol, of course you wouldn't.

I'm looking to have honest conversations on here (weird, I know). No need to be a dick about it.

The DCCC banning vendors from working with Democrats who primary establishment Democrats
Obama's talk in Europe seeking to marginalize progressive ideas
Pelosi doing the circuit to throw shade on the progressive wing
Stenny Hoyer's embarrassing speech at AIPAC
The deafening silence from DNC leadership when Ilhan Omar was attacked with racist, right wing, violence inciting attacks.
The media attacks coordinated by CAP on Sanders for not being homeless.

Not familiar with all of those, but the Omar one is definitely wrong (the left is defending her, including Pelosi) and some of the others are good faith differences of opinion. I'm not seeing why you think healthy debate = attacks. Pelosi disagrees with folks like AOC on some topics. So when AOC protests outside of Pelosi's office, "throws shade" at her via Twitter, etc. it's all good but when Pelosi returns fire it equates to "attacks"? Seems intellectually weak to me.

 

[PEB]

Wow sounds familiar tea party anyone? Ask the Republican house speaker oh right they lost that job. Nancy is a lot like a left version of John Boehner but far worst. She is trying to crush the new progressive members instead of trying to work with them an the media loves the drama.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Biden's lead in Iowa polls both shocks and worries me TBH.

jesus I'm just reading this "Joe Biden's Early Polling Lead ... wait for it... Powered By Woman". This makes me more worried for humanity than it does the USA. If I'm being honest, this stinks of deceit.

 

[Trotsky]

So she is throwing shade on herself? Is that possible?

@Anung Un Rama

She's not throwing shade at AOC or herself, although she is describing both of their districts. She's saying that she and AOC are Democrats from safely blue districts and that AOC/the left wing of the party needs to tone down their expectations for candidates/members in purple districts.

Also, she's wrong. Supporting universal healthcare or opposing war profiteering isn't going to keep a Democrat from being elected.

jesus I'm just reading this "Joe Biden's Early Polling Lead ... wait for it... Powered By Woman". This makes me more worried for humanity than it does the USA. If I'm being honest, this stinks of deceit.

I think Biden will do better with a lot of women: particularly women over 35 who were previously Clinton supporters and bought into the malicious "Bernie Bros" misogyny attack on Sanders during the primary.

From the article:

Pelosi, 79, was speaking at the London School of Economics on Monday where she said that the Democratic Party must avoid the 'menace' of liberal policies pushed by rising political stars if it wants to beat President Donald Trump in the 2020 election.

Would love to see someone ask Nancy which of Hillary Clinton's policies was so radically left as to be "menacing". Because she didn't beat Trump in 2016.

But, sure, let's go back to the centrist, establishment policy well. Maybe this time it will get the dems to 270.

It's infuriating. Centrism. does. not. build. movements.

I know exactly what has been going on. Pelosi's comment about there only being five people in the congress who support AOC was egregious. And the CFAP attacks on Bernie are even worse.

But this glass of water quote was not a slight on AOC. Maybe you didn't listen to the audio. Pelosi was talking about ALL deep blue districts. She included her own.

Well said. The "five people" comment was out of line. This wasn't. It was just wrong.

 

[kpt018]

Its actually you who should grow up. lol at attacking somebody for not getting excited about a Joe Biden run. Are you serious?
Biden has one of the worst voting records of any Democrat not named Hillary Clinton.
He is a gaff machine with a history laced with bigotry, war mongering, and videos of him molesting woman and children.
Why would anybody get excited about a losing campaign? If only more Democrats has the courage to say the same thing about Clinton's campaign we might not have Trump in WH.

You know what gets me excited? Anyone but Trump serving as president. And when AOC says things like that folks like you protest vote or stay home because you didn't get your perfect candidate nominated. And that increases the odds of a second term for Trump.

It's true, Biden has a poor voting record (from a liberal's perspective) and he's not the best candidate. I don't have them ranked but he's not in my top 3 for sure and maybe outside of my top 5. But like a grown ass man I'll vote for the best option come election time. Hopefully you act like an adult and do the same because if enough of your type don't we'll have 8 years of the most corrupt, incompetent president in our history. Be an adult.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I'm looking to have honest conversations on here (weird, I know). No need to be a dick about it.



Not familiar with all of those, but the Omar one is definitely wrong (the left is defending her, including Pelosi) and some of the others are good faith differences of opinion. I'm not seeing why you think healthy debate = attacks. Pelosi disagrees with folks like AOC on some topics. So when AOC protests outside of Pelosi's office, "throws shade" at her via Twitter, etc. it's all good but when Pelosi returns fire it equates to "attacks"? Seems intellectually weak to me.

I am not wrong about Omar. Pelosi's "defense" was off the mark at best.
And these are not debates, they are one sided power plays to marginalize ideas.
And it would seem intellectually weak to you because you support the establishment line 100/100.
Intellectually weak would be not seeing the forest for the trees. Ethically weak would be seeing it and deflecting/ defending it.

 

[kpt018]

I am not wrong about Omar. Pelosi's "defense" was off the mark at best.
And these are not debates, they are one sided power plays to marginalize ideas.
And it would seem intellectually weak to you because you support the establishment line 100/100.
Intellectually weak would be not seeing the forest for the trees. Ethically weak would be seeing it and deflecting/ defending it.

See, this is just a pathetic misrepresentation of my views. For the record, my top two candidates right now are Pete Buttigieg and Elizabeth Warren. It's just a lot easier for you to call me an "establishment Democrat" or a "corporatist Democrat".

Let me know when you can actually address the views being expressed instead of acting like a child.