Peak Lil Nog before the injuries and war with Shogun was one of the greatest Light Heavyweights ever

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2003-2005 Rogerio is one of the best LHWs of alltime. He doesnt get his due these days b/c ppl usually remember the older guy, the guy who didnt look the same following the layoff/ war with Shogun.

He beat Guy Mezger who was known for giving the top guys (Wand, Arona, even dropped Liddell etc) tough fights in striking. Nog was able to pull out the win with his grappling, but the striking was fairly even.

He controlled almost the whole Overeem 1st fight, usually guys even elites like Chuck and Shogun struggle mightily with Reem early then they takeover. Nog was never in trouble, and Reem got saved by the bell in the 2nd with Nog mounted on him raining brutal GNP. He also defended against Reems clinch game as well as anyone ive ever seen.

Lil Nog was one of the handful of guys including Wand, Mirko and Igor that beat Saku in his prime. Saku showed a good account of himself but most of the fight he got completely outboxed and destroyed in the striking, he had moments scrambling but ive never seen Saku dominated that badly from pillar to post in his prime outside Wand and even then it wasnt the onslaught that Rogerio dished out.

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The Sakuraba and Overeem 1 fights wouldve been stopped in multiple positions by alot of refs.

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No one in history has dominated a prime Dan Henderson and finished him like Rogerio. He completely ran through him. Against Anderson at least Hendo had some moments and won a round, even tho he got dominated by Shields he nearly KO'd him and 10-8'd him in the 1st. Hendo maybe had 40 seconds of total fight time where he was effective. Rogerio was clipping him with the counter right hook over and over, even wobbled him early, and he was having his way in the clinch specially with his knees. Hendo got desperate for a TD late, and Rogerio reversed him and got to side control with ease. The way he swept Hendo from the bottom to mount get a cross armbar was so fluid. He proceeded to setup an armbar with a kimura grip and effortlessly transitioned to the finish. Whats even more amazing is that Rogerios older and better fighter of a brother struggled far more with Hendo in both fights. Hendo was one of the best escape artists in MMA from submissions back then, he was thwarting off Rodrigos attempts left and right, but when Rogerio got a good position on him he was finished. Honestly Lil Nog from 2003-2005 was every bit as good as peak Rodrigo IMO.

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Then theres the Shogun fight arguably the GOAT LHW fight. Shogun at the peak of his powers was was one of the p4p GOATs, completely curbstomped guys like Rampage and Arona, and Nog gave him his toughest fight. There are only a handful of LHWs in history at best who could have given 05 Shogun a better fight than Nog did.

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Unfortunately after this fight Nog took a long layoff to recover from surgeries and just recover from that war, but he was never really the same guy. His reflexes were worse, he was slower, his chin wasnt Terminator like anymore, his clinch game and wrestling wasnt as good, his defense was prolly the biggest dropoff. Dude barely got hit clean back then, but after the layoff he was getting hit more to randoms like Mike Rimbom and Todd Gouwenberg. He still had technical boxing and BJJ he was known for but physically and the technical aspects of his clinch and wrestling game were gona. It shows how terrifying he was at the time that in maybe the biggest upset ever he had a ridiculous -2500 odds against Sokoudjo.

The fact that after his peak this guy was still able to

- shut out Hashad
- TKO Tito
- TKO Overeem (hematch)
- KO Cane
- KO Janitor
- KO Cummins

as well as have competitive fights with Shogun (hematch), Bader and Phil, some even thinking he beat Shogun the 2nd time as well as Bader, shows how great he was and how underappreciated he is. Should be in everyone's top 10 LHWs of alltime IMO.
 
Rumble would beat all of them in wreck fashion.

Imagine current Rumble but with all the juice he could take.
 
I agree , one of the best fights of all time , it had everything
 
War Lil Nog... Very nice guy and heck of a fighter.
 
He definitely was a fantastic fighter, between 2002-2005 he went 8-1 with the loss to Rua in that great match you previously stated. He had some tough losses in 2010, and i would consider him to be a top 15 LHW all time, but thats just me i cant say for anyone else. Guy had better hands than his brother i always thought. Has very notable wins in his career.
 
Rumble would beat all of them in wreck fashion.

Imagine current Rumble but with all the juice he could take.

Nogs chin was gone when he fought Rumble and physically he was a shell. He wouldve overwhelmed him with grappling as Rumble crumbled like he usually does to grapplers who can strike.

I think Rumble is fine with juice himself.

"You got to take something, even if it's legal or illegal. With as much training as we do, you have to take something. I mean, it doesn't have to be illegal, but you have to do something, because you just can't say ‘I'm going to to home and go to sleep' and just wake up in the morning and feel better. It doesn't work like that. Hell, I'm probably about to say something stupid but I'm about to say, either pay us like them (MLB) and then we won't have to use it, or let us use it so we can get to that level. One or the other... Let us do something.""
 
He definitely was a fantastic fighter, between 2002-2005 he went 8-1 with the loss to Rua in that great match you previously stated. He had some tough losses in 2010, and i would consider him to be a top 15 LHW all time, but thats just me i cant say for anyone else. Guy had better hands than his brother i always thought. Has very notable wins in his career.

I think he wouldve beaten guys like Hashad, Chuck and Tito prime for prime IMO. I think Shogun, Bones, Cormier, Hampage wouldve beaten him for sure. Wand and maybe Lyoto wouldve beaten 2003-2005 Nog as well. I dont think anyone else.

I agree , one of the best fights of all time , it had everything

Its still the best allaround LHW fight I have seen IMO. Gus/Jones is close tho
 
Not sure if I agree or not, honestly, but great write up in any case.

Pleasantly good read on SD !
 
Nogs chin was gone when he fought Rumble and physically he was a shell. He wouldve overwhelmed him with grappling as Rumble crumbled like he usually does to grapplers who can strike.

I think Rumble is fine with juice himself.

"You got to take something, even if it's legal or illegal. With as much training as we do, you have to take something. I mean, it doesn't have to be illegal, but you have to do something, because you just can't say ‘I'm going to to home and go to sleep' and just wake up in the morning and feel better. It doesn't work like that. Hell, I'm probably about to say something stupid but I'm about to say, either pay us like them (MLB) and then we won't have to use it, or let us use it so we can get to that level. One or the other... Let us do something.""

Fighters are either as honest as rumble or as hypocritical as mcgregor
 
Lil Nog is awesome. Still a top 10 LHW IMO.

He had Shogun in all kinds of problems in their last fight. Shogun had to take him down and lay and pray a little to win.

I still think he has something left in the tank. Damn he can still box. I was happy when he destroyed Cummins.
 
I've always felt Lil Nog was better than Big Nog. He didnt want to go up to heavyweight and take Big Nogs shine away. Idk if you can say Lil Nog took a ton of damage from Shogun. Shogun took a lot more damage and had to lay n pray his way to victory in both fights. Having said that their are plenty of lhw's of this era and past era that I would favor over Lil Nog. He's top 15 tho.
 
2003-2005 Rogerio is one of the best LHWs of alltime. He doesnt get his due these days b/c ppl usually remember the older guy, the guy who didnt look the same following the layoff/ war with Shogun.

He beat Guy Mezger who was known for giving the top guys (Wand, Arona, even dropped Liddell etc) tough fights in striking. Nog was able to pull out the win with his grappling, but the striking was fairly even.

He controlled almost the whole Overeem 1st fight, usually guys even elites like Chuck and Shogun struggle mightily with Reem early then they takeover. Nog was never in trouble, and Reem got saved by the bell in the 2nd with Nog mounted on him raining brutal GNP. He also defended against Reems clinch game as well as anyone ive ever seen.

Lil Nog was one of the handful of guys including Wand, Mirko and Igor that beat Saku in his prime. Saku showed a good account of himself but most of the fight he got completely outboxed and destroyed in the striking, he had moments scrambling but ive never seen Saku dominated that badly from pillar to post in his prime outside Wand and even then it wasnt the onslaught that Rogerio dished out.

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The Sakuraba and Overeem 1 fights wouldve been stopped in multiple positions by alot of refs.

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No one in history has dominated a prime Dan Henderson and finished him like Rogerio. He completely ran through him. Against Anderson at least Hendo had some moments and won a round, even tho he got dominated by Shields he nearly KO'd him and 10-8'd him in the 1st. Hendo maybe had 40 seconds of total fight time where he was effective. Rogerio was clipping him with the counter right hook over and over, even wobbled him early, and he was having his way in the clinch specially with his knees. Hendo got desperate for a TD late, and Rogerio reversed him and got to side control with ease. The way he swept Hendo from the bottom to mount get a cross armbar was so fluid. He proceeded to setup an armbar with a kimura grip and effortlessly transitioned to the finish. Whats even more amazing is that Rogerios older and better fighter of a brother struggled far more with Hendo in both fights. Hendo was one of the best escape artists in MMA from submissions back then, he was thwarting off Rodrigos attempts left and right, but when Rogerio got a good position on him he was finished. Honestly Lil Nog from 2003-2005 was every bit as good as peak Rodrigo IMO.

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Then theres the Shogun fight arguably the GOAT LHW fight. Shogun at the peak of his powers was was one of the p4p GOATs, completely curbstomped guys like Rampage and Arona, and Nog gave him his toughest fight. There are only a handful of LHWs in history at best who could have given 05 Shogun a better fight than Nog did.

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Unfortunately after this fight Nog took a long layoff to recover from surgeries and just recover from that war, but he was never really the same guy. His reflexes were worse, he was slower, his chin wasnt Terminator like anymore, his clinch game and wrestling wasnt as good, his defense was prolly the biggest dropoff. Dude barely got hit clean back then, but after the layoff he was getting hit more to randoms like Mike Rimbom and Todd Gouwenberg. He still had technical boxing and BJJ he was known for but physically and the technical aspects of his clinch and wrestling game were gona. It shows how terrifying he was at the time that in maybe the biggest upset ever he had a ridiculous -2500 odds against Sokoudjo.

The fact that after his peak this guy was still able to

- shut out Hashad
- TKO Tito
- TKO Overeem (hematch)
- KO Cane
- KO Janitor
- KO Cummins

as well as have competitive fights with Shogun (hematch), Bader and Phil, some even thinking he beat Shogun the 2nd time as well as Bader, shows how great he was and how underappreciated he is. Should be in everyone's top 10 LHWs of alltime IMO.

Finally a good thread worth reading TS

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Prime Lil Nog and Shogun takes AJ's shots(probably even outstrike him) and end up pounding him out or tapping him out.
 
Agreed TS. 2005 little Nog was on another level.
 
I rank Lil Nog/Shogun 1 up there with Hendo/Shogun 1 for all time great wars at 205lbs
Lil Nog fight didn't have as much violence but they set a crazy pace
 
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