Passing closed guard while arm is overhooked.

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  1. Hendo89

    Hendo89 Purple Belt

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    So we had this guy come in (3rd class, big mma fan) And he is an absolute unit, 100kg (244lb) and my instructor put me with him for a 10 minute round, I started in guard and swept him pretty quick with a hip bump. Arm triangled from mount which was all good.

    Then he asks 'Can we start in my guard?'

    Being a fellow bottom person I happily accepted wanting to keep practicing passing..

    Didnt pass once!

    He overhooked my arm (I know, dont let that happen)

    Got the other controlling my head, I literally spent 8 minutes with my posture broken in this guys guard, he didnt set up any offense which is to be exp[ected on his 3rd class but, I tried my darndest and could not posture to pass.

    Any advice on this other than dont let them overhook your arm and control your head?
     
  2. fizbo

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    I often try the no posture (aka Wilson Reis) pass in this spot. Sorry to link such a spammy site lol but this shows it pretty well:

    http://thewilsonpass.com/vid2.html
     
  3. Nasiello

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    I like to get a grip on the shoulder with the arm they've over hooked and drive into them to keep them from working a high guard, and then dead arm out of it once they try to re-position. not exactly technical, but we've been working that guard in class lately and that's worked for me.
     
  4. The Thrill

    The Thrill Blue Belt

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    look at it like this...he didnt take your arm with an overhook,he was nice enough to give you an underhook

    so work on your sao paulo pass,reis pass whatever you want to call it
     
  5. Oliver Geddes

    Oliver Geddes Amateur Fighter

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    Getting the hand free. Simple way of removing it. You basically want to limp arm.

    Use your spare arm to flatten their hips out. You don't want to let them get on their side, it's going to make things difficult. So pinch your free elbow in to their hips and move sideways, keeping tight to their hips until their hips are flat. Now you want to turn your hand outwards and point your fingers, kind of like you're passing someone a baton in a relay race. Then you want to remove your arm in a path from where it is kind of towards their opposite shoulder. If you go too far you're going to get armdragged, so as soon as you free it, pull your elbow back again, kill their hip, get posture, work from there.

    This does, of course, presume they aren't clinging to your head like their lives depend on it. If they are...oil check.

    [Edit: Missed the head control part. Try to get some posture in your neck. Not up, but at least engage your neck muscles. Use your spare hand to swim inside the head control, try to peel it off, then control the bicep, keeping your elbow tight on the hip, then proceed as above.]
     
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  6. Ice 9 Cobra

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    Oli already covered the answer. Limp arm out of it
     
  7. Hendo89

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    Thanks guys.
     
  8. Higher Learning

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    i prefer the no posture pass
     
  9. Oliver Geddes

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    So do I. But that wasn't the question. ^_-

     
  10. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    driving into them with an amr overhooked is asking to get sweep...
     
  11. BeRGLeZ

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    V nice Oli.
    This is a pass I experimented with as a blue but only had moderate success, finding myself preferring to stand up.
     
  12. Hendo89

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    So that Sao Paulo one does work while overhooked and head being controlled? Because that was the issue, I couldnt for the life of me limp arm out, or get his hand off the crown of my head, I would have been ok if I could get both hands on his biceps like in this video, the problem was more everything before where this vid started.
     
  13. Title Fight Productions

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    Chin Chim/reis pass all day.
     
  14. Oliver Geddes

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    It will be difficult if the hand that is controlling your head has elbow pressure enough to keep your head central and you can't get yourself down to his ribcage on that side. Fundamentally, the counter to the pass is to either Muay Thai clinch the guys head and keep it directly in the center of your chest, or never allow it to settle on your body at all and push it off, push it off, push it off whenever it gets close.
     
  15. Calibur

    Calibur Jiu Jitsu Snob

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    Man, if someone overhooks me in closed guard, it's a beautiful thing.

    I Sao Paulo pass immediately. Usually I can get something.

    I've got videos doing it in training if you want to see them.
     
  16. HIMBOB

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    Don't know about him but I certainly do!!!
     
  17. fizbo

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    can you say more about this? I'm often in the bottom spot here and don't really have a great play when guys make a lot of pressure.
     
  18. BJJ_Rage

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    sounds good, is not that easy if he is controlling your free arm, gets on his side or simply is flexible as fuck and just looks to get a leg over your shoulder going for trianlgles or omoplatas...
     
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    How well does that work nogi?


    I can see most of it being applicable, but I am concerned about the hand where you grab the collar and drag him to that side.


    If we are looking at this as purely an overhooked arm escape (swep being secondary), as he is overhooking do you need to hold the collar because I am thinking he will either maintain the overhook when you "pull your elbow to your ribs" or he will let go (both good for me).
     

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