Particular Guard Pass, how long will it last???

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I watched Saulos instructional. I watched the section on guard passses. Lesson 2 he does a guard pass where he traps an arm and then stands up. I have been doing this now for 3 weeks with huge success. I am a white belt with 7 months of training and have been rolling with white and blue belts. How can guys counter this?? What should I be aware of?

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which instructional? the gi or no gi one?

and just for everyone else who might not have the set, why don't you describe what you mean by trapping the arm.
 
its from his gi series
well i don't exactly trap it like him. i just get a nice grip on one sleeve. and then stand up. then they usually try the classic sweep where they drop their hips and with both hands grab my heels and knock me back. by holding one hand i have eliminated it (for now). i am sure there is a counter and thats what i was wondering and started the thread
 
Pretty good. I am going to try that next time I am in someone's guard Friday night. What is that called\?
 
I think you're talking about the standard standing guard pass. I've been training almost as long as you, and it was the first guard pass I was taught.

You grab the sleeve with the left hand (for example), step up to your feet left foot first. You then put your right hand on the guy's knee (left) and step back with your right leg as you push down on the knee with your right hand. That will tend to open up the guard.

Saulo has a great ground guard pass that works along the same principle.

Because you've grabbed the cuff on your left side, the guy isn't going to be able to grab your heels and sweep you that way. That's also what the "step back" with the other leg helps accomplish--in addition to breaking the guard. Saulo points out that it isn't the hand pushing down that breaks open the guard, it is the stepping back with the leg on that side.

The hardest part of this guard pass for me is after I open the guard. Our instructor has been trying to get us to drop the right leg (per this example) down over the leg on your right side (the one you "pushed" down). Knee over his upper thigh and shin pressing the leg to the mat. You want to pass over to that side. We do it by taking what I call a "backstep". The "backstep" isn't super hard to do, but I always feel like an idiot trying to explain it.
 
Omo plattas and armlocks. They can attack the arm you are holding.
 
well.. i used to get the kimura on everyone in class. people started calling me "king of the kimura" no joke.. Then everyone caught on to my tricks, and I still have a good kimura, but get it once in a blue moon. Sometimes you find that something will work for you until people learn the counter. Right now I can get x-guard sweeps on everybody, but I'm sure that won't last forever.
 
Gsoares2 said:
Omo plattas and armlocks. They can attack the arm you are holding.
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You need to keep your elbows in as you grip the cuff. My best sweep is an omoplata (sort of the same way people use kimuras from the bottom as reversal techniques instead of as a outright submission) and I've caught a lot of guys who keep their elbow out while trying a standing guard pass against me. I can easily say it's the one thing I do well in jiu jitsu.

You've probably got a lot more mat time than I do. But I don't know if the guard passer is as vulnerable to the armlock in this technique. Getting the hips up high enough--while the guard passer is forcing the guy's hips lower--seems tricky to me ...
 
It's a great pass. I attempt versions of it in no-gi all the time, but it's much riskier. Omaplata and triangle aren't much risk if you keep good posture and stand shortly after getting the grip, unless your opponent is much taller and heavier than you.
 
maybe its my lack of experience but i am having a hard time picturing someone doing an omaplata on me from this position
 
If you hold the arm up the whole way through and keep your elbow to your hips he can not attack your arm.
 
I will not try to pass a good guy unless I can get arm control
that is what your doing, it no big deal. YOU HAVE TO.
 
ok thanks everyone, on a side note, what do you guys think of saulos instructional??
 
i have both of them, and they're both excellent.
 
i have the gi series, until this thread i didn't even know he had a no gi series
 
I'll be getting his gi instructional this summer for me birthday!
 
I've seen the one your talkining about and the one on the back. From what I've seen it is an excellent set.

As far as the pass, it's pretty standard, but it's nice to get the little pieces of advice that Saulo gives. I think as long as you get things the way Saulo says it's extreemly high percentage, but the problem is setting everything up perfectly on a resisting opponent who knows what your trying to do.

You'll probably be able to get it until your sparring partners figure out that that is what you are doing and learn to avoid it from the beginning.
 
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