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Here is a small sample of the questionable acts that led to CAMO’s delegated authority by the California Commission.
After further modifying our rules to better track the commission’s legal definition of allowable techniques we were allowed to host the 2009 USA National Championships on Oct 25th 2009. The CSAC further advised that they would send inspectors to report back if we followed our rules and further requested that we film the matches for their review.
On April 14th the CSAC released their legal opinion that Pankration was full contact and subject to CAMO regulation$. In doing so they discounted their own CSAC inspectors report and 126 unedited videos we put up for their viewing. Instead they quoted that staff with subject matter expertise in Combative Sports concluded that the rules were not followed and “cherry picked” videos, most from other previous events to review. When asked of identity of the subject matters experts, they claimed attorney client privledge.
Here is the Inspectors report that should have put an end to the oversight:
http://fightleague.org/uploads/CSAC_Inspectors_report.pdf
Just the beginning....
After further modifying our rules to better track the commission’s legal definition of allowable techniques we were allowed to host the 2009 USA National Championships on Oct 25th 2009. The CSAC further advised that they would send inspectors to report back if we followed our rules and further requested that we film the matches for their review.
On April 14th the CSAC released their legal opinion that Pankration was full contact and subject to CAMO regulation$. In doing so they discounted their own CSAC inspectors report and 126 unedited videos we put up for their viewing. Instead they quoted that staff with subject matter expertise in Combative Sports concluded that the rules were not followed and “cherry picked” videos, most from other previous events to review. When asked of identity of the subject matters experts, they claimed attorney client privledge.
Here is the Inspectors report that should have put an end to the oversight:
http://fightleague.org/uploads/CSAC_Inspectors_report.pdf
Just the beginning....
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Notice in the link on the previous post, the inspector indicates they were asked to report on Jiujitsu and Submission Grappling.
We have no problem paying fair and appropriate fees to the state. Don't understand why the commision would give up potential revenue to a private company.
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Id just like to come out and say SocalPankration is a great org. They were always fair, well priced, and most importantly safe.
Ive fought at their tournaments, both pankration, and grappling, and they are a great group.
Ill support any way i can to get CAMO out of power. They have ruined Pankration in this state, and Amatuer MMA is just as shitty.
Ive fought at their tournaments, both pankration, and grappling, and they are a great group.
Ill support any way i can to get CAMO out of power. They have ruined Pankration in this state, and Amatuer MMA is just as shitty.
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Thanks, we hope to bring the sport back soon!
We even made a proposal to CAMO were we would work with them and insure and license athletes under USA Pankration for only $40 so they didn't have to pay the high CAMO fees. Under the CAMO model, athletes would have to buy a seperate license for each state they compete in. We follow the Olympic movement and are eligible for USOC recognition as FILA, our parent organization is sanctioned by the International Olympic Commitee.
As we are under a National non profit organziation we can provide the same model as USA Wrestling and USA Boxing with a low cost annual membership that covers all tournaments, promoters and provides secondary medical insurance for tournaments and sanctioned training.
This was our proposal:
http://www.fightleague.org/uploads/CAMO_CSAC_proposal.pdf
Still waiting for a response.....
We even made a proposal to CAMO were we would work with them and insure and license athletes under USA Pankration for only $40 so they didn't have to pay the high CAMO fees. Under the CAMO model, athletes would have to buy a seperate license for each state they compete in. We follow the Olympic movement and are eligible for USOC recognition as FILA, our parent organization is sanctioned by the International Olympic Commitee.
As we are under a National non profit organziation we can provide the same model as USA Wrestling and USA Boxing with a low cost annual membership that covers all tournaments, promoters and provides secondary medical insurance for tournaments and sanctioned training.
This was our proposal:
http://www.fightleague.org/uploads/CAMO_CSAC_proposal.pdf
Still waiting for a response.....
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The commission cant tax anything without approval from the legislation but they can delegate it out to a private company as with Pankration and Amateur MMA.
In 2004 the commission published this opinion
For some reason it was brought back in the minutes from the most recent commission meeting)
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Somebody already mentioned that FILA is working to incorporate Pankration under its auspices and promote it, but they didn't give links.
This is the link to the FILA website that deals with Pankration and grappling:
FILA Grappling
Basically, FILA is promoting 3 levels of competition:
Grappling
(FILA Grappling)
Grappling is a non-striking hybrid sport formed of wrestling, jiu jitsu, sambo, and many other submission fighting styles which consists in applying submission holds and choking techniques in order to make the opponent abandon the fight.
When including grappling into its field of activities, FILA had the vision to unite the grappling community under standard international rules and offer a generic discipline that would go beyond the specificities of each submission fighting discipline. Straight forward and easy to understand rules were thus created to facilitate the participation of athletes coming from different fighting backgrounds in international competitions.
Pankration
(FILA Grappling)
Pankration, from the Greek words "Pan" and "Kratos" meaning "the one who controls everything", is a world heritage martial art with the unique distinction of being the only martial sport in existence today that can legitimately trace its roots to the ancient Olympic Games from 648 BC to 393 AD. Today, pankration is developed by FILA as a mild form of Mixed Martial Arts (MMA).
When including pankration into its field of activities, FILA had the vision to encourage the perpetuation of this ancient form of total combat from which all forms of modern Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) descend. If in ancient times very few limitations were put upon the discipline, today's pankration is thoroughly regulated and can be practiced as a mild and safe introduction to MMA. The head not being a target and the additional protection brought by the uniform make pankration an ideal omni-directional martial art for all.
Combat Grappling
(FILA Grappling)
Combat grappling is a form of safe amateur Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) that incorporates techniques from most existing Martial Arts systems, creating a unique fighting environment that alternatively takes the fight from standing to ground positions. Combat grappling matches are either won by grappling holds such as joint locks and chokes, or by striking and kicking techniques.
Combat grappling was created by FILA to fulfill the need for a properly managed and regulated form of amateur Mixed Martial Arts (MMA). Through the mandatory use of protection gear and limited impact rules (especially regarding ground and pound), FILA intends to offer a sport that can safely prepare an athlete for a professional MMA career or provide extended knowledge on realistic fighting scenarios.
Combat grappling is practiced with board shorts and an optional rashguard along with approved protection gear that includes head gear, shin protectors, and gloves that allow grabbing and holding the opponent for a comfortable application of grappling techniques.
Having a respected global body like FILA trying to support and promote amatuer MMA is great news for the MMA community in general. As another poster rightly pointed out, in order for the Professional circuit to grow there needs to be an extensive amatuer circuit and FILA is looking to do this. Heck, with its support we may even one day see Pankration or Combat Grappling in the Olympics.
This is the link to the FILA website that deals with Pankration and grappling:
FILA Grappling
Basically, FILA is promoting 3 levels of competition:
Grappling
(FILA Grappling)
Grappling is a non-striking hybrid sport formed of wrestling, jiu jitsu, sambo, and many other submission fighting styles which consists in applying submission holds and choking techniques in order to make the opponent abandon the fight.
When including grappling into its field of activities, FILA had the vision to unite the grappling community under standard international rules and offer a generic discipline that would go beyond the specificities of each submission fighting discipline. Straight forward and easy to understand rules were thus created to facilitate the participation of athletes coming from different fighting backgrounds in international competitions.
Pankration
(FILA Grappling)
Pankration, from the Greek words "Pan" and "Kratos" meaning "the one who controls everything", is a world heritage martial art with the unique distinction of being the only martial sport in existence today that can legitimately trace its roots to the ancient Olympic Games from 648 BC to 393 AD. Today, pankration is developed by FILA as a mild form of Mixed Martial Arts (MMA).
When including pankration into its field of activities, FILA had the vision to encourage the perpetuation of this ancient form of total combat from which all forms of modern Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) descend. If in ancient times very few limitations were put upon the discipline, today's pankration is thoroughly regulated and can be practiced as a mild and safe introduction to MMA. The head not being a target and the additional protection brought by the uniform make pankration an ideal omni-directional martial art for all.
Combat Grappling
(FILA Grappling)
Combat grappling is a form of safe amateur Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) that incorporates techniques from most existing Martial Arts systems, creating a unique fighting environment that alternatively takes the fight from standing to ground positions. Combat grappling matches are either won by grappling holds such as joint locks and chokes, or by striking and kicking techniques.
Combat grappling was created by FILA to fulfill the need for a properly managed and regulated form of amateur Mixed Martial Arts (MMA). Through the mandatory use of protection gear and limited impact rules (especially regarding ground and pound), FILA intends to offer a sport that can safely prepare an athlete for a professional MMA career or provide extended knowledge on realistic fighting scenarios.
Combat grappling is practiced with board shorts and an optional rashguard along with approved protection gear that includes head gear, shin protectors, and gloves that allow grabbing and holding the opponent for a comfortable application of grappling techniques.
Having a respected global body like FILA trying to support and promote amatuer MMA is great news for the MMA community in general. As another poster rightly pointed out, in order for the Professional circuit to grow there needs to be an extensive amatuer circuit and FILA is looking to do this. Heck, with its support we may even one day see Pankration or Combat Grappling in the Olympics.
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The Australian Pankration and Grappling Committee only launched in the middle of this year and so is still pretty small, but working at promoting itself. Unfortunately they have only held one event in my State this year and I wasn't able to attend. However, they have promised that they will hold more here in 2011 and I look forward to having a go.
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This is what went wrong with the California State Athletic Commissions:
Here is the Federal Law that grants USA Boxing the authority over Amateur Boxing. The fact that CAMO had to become a IRS 501 C 3 non profit to receive delegation shows that the California Commission was tracking this law to grant them sole authority over Amateur MMA and Pankration. If this was the case they did not correctly follow federal law.
The Ted Stevens Olympic and Amateur Sports Act is a United States law (codified at 36 U.S.C. Sec. 220501 et seq. of the United States Code) that charters and grants monopoly status to the United States Olympic Committee, and specifies requirements for its member national governing bodies for individual sports.
The Act provides important legal protection for individual athletes. Prior to the adoption of the Act in 1978, the Amateur Athletic Union (AAU) represented the United States on international competition matters and regulated amateur sports generally. Congress adopted the Act in response to criticisms of the AAU, effectively removing that organization from any governance role.
The Act charters the US Olympic Committee, which in turn can charter a national governing body (NGB) for each sport, such as USA Boxing, USA Taekwondo, USA Judo, USA Wrestling etc… Each NGB in turn establishes the rules for selecting the athletes for International Competitions and promotes amateur competition in that sport.
The Act also provides athletes with due process and appeal rights concerning eligibility disputes and was revised in 1988 to that reflect that amateurism is no longer a requirement for competing in most international sports.
Although Amateur MMA does not meet the requirments for charter under the US Olympic Committee the sports of Pankration and now Combat Grappling (which essentially is Amateur MMA w/ head gear and shin guards) do because of their inclusion as an official sport under FILA, a fully sanctioned international Federation under the International Olympic Committee.
Unfortunatly, due to the fact that Pankration in California was shut down we no longer have sufficient numbers in the United States to apply for a charter under the US Olympic Committee.
This is why previous we were actively reaching out to anyone interested in promoting Pankration. We were on track in California until a 3rd party organization started hosting their own version of Pankration events under MMA style rules which caused the commission to articulate Pankration as MMA under another name used to evade the jurastiction of the athletic commission.
So here we are...
Here is the Federal Law that grants USA Boxing the authority over Amateur Boxing. The fact that CAMO had to become a IRS 501 C 3 non profit to receive delegation shows that the California Commission was tracking this law to grant them sole authority over Amateur MMA and Pankration. If this was the case they did not correctly follow federal law.
The Ted Stevens Olympic and Amateur Sports Act is a United States law (codified at 36 U.S.C. Sec. 220501 et seq. of the United States Code) that charters and grants monopoly status to the United States Olympic Committee, and specifies requirements for its member national governing bodies for individual sports.
The Act provides important legal protection for individual athletes. Prior to the adoption of the Act in 1978, the Amateur Athletic Union (AAU) represented the United States on international competition matters and regulated amateur sports generally. Congress adopted the Act in response to criticisms of the AAU, effectively removing that organization from any governance role.
The Act charters the US Olympic Committee, which in turn can charter a national governing body (NGB) for each sport, such as USA Boxing, USA Taekwondo, USA Judo, USA Wrestling etc… Each NGB in turn establishes the rules for selecting the athletes for International Competitions and promotes amateur competition in that sport.
The Act also provides athletes with due process and appeal rights concerning eligibility disputes and was revised in 1988 to that reflect that amateurism is no longer a requirement for competing in most international sports.
Although Amateur MMA does not meet the requirments for charter under the US Olympic Committee the sports of Pankration and now Combat Grappling (which essentially is Amateur MMA w/ head gear and shin guards) do because of their inclusion as an official sport under FILA, a fully sanctioned international Federation under the International Olympic Committee.
Unfortunatly, due to the fact that Pankration in California was shut down we no longer have sufficient numbers in the United States to apply for a charter under the US Olympic Committee.
This is why previous we were actively reaching out to anyone interested in promoting Pankration. We were on track in California until a 3rd party organization started hosting their own version of Pankration events under MMA style rules which caused the commission to articulate Pankration as MMA under another name used to evade the jurastiction of the athletic commission.
So here we are...
