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P4P best TJ in last 6yrs only has 2 losses, both split decision, one bad decision, one fifty/fifty

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  1. ExitLUPin

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    Against 2 of the best lighter weight fighters in the world. Dom is BW GOAT at the moment and Assuncao is 10-0 @ BW excluding the TJ fights and beaten guys like Moraes, Munhoz, Font, Sterling, Caraway, Eduardo

    http://www.mmadecisions.com/decision/6740/Dominick-Cruz-vs-T.J.-Dillashaw
    http://www.mmadecisions.com/decision/4558/Raphael-Assunção-vs-T.J.-Dillashaw

    Already "avenged" Assuncao one convincingly

    could very well go GSP route and have beaten everyone he fought if Dodson can get a shitle shot

    He has some of the best wins in the sport too in that span. And he dominated and/or finished all of them

    Baraox2
    Codyx2
    Assuncao
    Lineker (8-1 BW, only loss to TJ 12-2 in last 6 years only other loss to EPO Ali), beaten Dodson, Mayday, Vera, Font, Cisco, Mccall, Kelleher. Even Ali had a close 29-28 fight with Lineker. TJ completely dominated 30-26

    TJ is the pound for pound the best in the world. The only one with an argument is Demetrious who just lost
     
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    Bobby Boulders My Lovin' Is Digi Platinum Member

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    I also believe that TJ is currently the best in the world.
     
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    Rygu R.I.P. Obie Platinum Member

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    I never could have imagined the TJ from TUF would go on to be a top 3 p4p fighter in the world.
     
  5. ExitLUPin

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    Its the craziest improvement curve ive ever seen in the UFC. And hes still young and seemingly still improving. He only recently started turaining more with boxing guys like Diaz and Loma............Hes a top 5 talent in UFC history for sure IMO
     
  6. 20falarVerdades

    20falarVerdades Silver Belt

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    Jon Jones never lost and beat 2X another goat contender Daniel Cormier .... It's levels to it
     
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    Ludwigs autism gave TJ super powers
     
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    It's crazy how the right trainer can launch a fighter on a meteoric rise

    Ludwig/Dillashaw
    Rampage/Ibarra
    probably Freddie Roach/Pacquiao
    ... I cant think of more dramatic examples
     
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    Talking non roiders here and not a fighter who most of his resume consists of beating up blown up past purime fighters from a division below
     
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    Mysterio Banned Banned

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    TJ is the love child of Doug and Johhny Lawrence.

    Cobra Kai Never Die.

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  11. Dark Individual

    Dark Individual GOAT of all GOATS Banned

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    The only argument against Jones is PED's otherwise nobody even comes close to what he's achieved. The only one that can surpass him is probably Khabib with zero losses if he keeps on winning especially since he seems PED free.
     
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    JayE Red Belt

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    I don't think Assuncao/Dillashaw 1 was a particularly bad decision (it was very close and Dillashaw tends to only get extra credit from fans and media because he walked forward a bit more), but yeah, he's had a great run.
     
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    P4P best nipples in the world
     
  14. ExitLUPin

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    Ill have to rewatch but i remember thinking it was a clear 2-1

    it was a very good fight maybe the best ive seen at BW up to that point. Assuncao doesnt get the credit he deserves as one of the best fighters to not hold a belt. Hes one of the best counterstrikers (and his TDD/defensive grappling is sick too) in MMA
     
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    Dark Individual GOAT of all GOATS Banned

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    Barao was number this and that doesn't make a lick of difference. Barao hadn't beaten anybody and got exposed and codys single big win is cruz. The people Jones beat were way better. Shogun, Lyoto, Rashad, Rampage and DC twice( one of the biggest wins in mma imo) is now considered among GOAT's and then TRT Vitor, Chael and Glover. TJ's resume isn't half as good as Jones. I mean do you seriously consider Barao or Cody to be as good as DC? If PED's is your argument, it has merit but other than that TJ isn't even on the same planet as Jones expecially considering that he has losses where Jones is undefeated excluding the DQ.
     
  16. Meathead Jock

    Meathead Jock WAR ASKREN

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    Nah, at least not "for sure"

    Edit: Just noticed you are excluding everyone who ever pissed hot.... Your statement makes more sense now, still probably wouldn't say "for sure"
     
  17. JayE

    JayE Red Belt

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    Assuncao is genuinely elite to the point that someone with his skillset would have a real chance at being champion in a different weight class. Unfortunately, he's suffered from inactivity (partially on him, partially on the fact that the promotion seems to not give a shit about him) and some very good top fighters in the division. Cruz's wrestling might really be a deciding factor (and we don't really know how Assuncao would fare in 5 rounds), but I've always thought Assuncao's striking style could really have troubled Cruz.
     
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  18. JayE

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    That's pretty debatable. I'd maybe give you Garbrandt (it's sort of tough to gauge those wins, but Garbrandt probably remains one of the most talented guys in the sport), but I think a guy like Cormier is materially better than a guy like Barao to the point that beating Cormier in any way is always going to be more impressive than beating Barao. Having doping enter the conversation does muddy the waters, of course.
     
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    JayE Red Belt

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    In the context of the time they can appear more impressive, but Cormier and Barao's relative p4p ratings at the time really doesn't tell the whole, or perhaps even much of the story. Again, the Barao performances are extremely impressive, but I find the gap in class between Cormier and Barao to be such that simply beating Cormier comes off more impressive. That's not to say that you can't compare the two, but beating a truly great fighter in a competitive fight tends to more impressive than beating a very good fighter in dominant fashion, at least in my eyes.
     
  20. HueyLewisFan24

    HueyLewisFan24 Blue Belt

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    Such a true comment. I didn't like him on the show either. He thought he should get easy fights because he was with TAM, was pretty smug, and incredibly raw. After he beat Barao forgot all of that and became a huge fan. He seems to have matured a lot since his time on TUF.
     

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