1. The official Sherdog Store is back! Check it out! » Discuss it here! »

Owner of Kobe's helicopter not certified to fly in fog

Discussion in 'Mayberry Lounge' started by rj144, Jan 31, 2020.

  1. rj144 Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2016
    Messages:
    20,869
    Likes Received:
    7,292
    The owner of the helicopter was not certified:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/30/us/kobe-bryant-crash-flight-certification.html

    "When the helicopter carrying the basketball legend Kobe Bryant crashed into a fogbound mountainside on Sunday, killing all nine people onboard, the pilot who was struggling to avoid the clouds did not have the legal authority to navigate with his instruments because the aircraft owner did not have the necessary federal certification, according to three sources familiar with the charter helicopter company’s operations."
     
  2. IIIIIIII Titanium Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2006
    Messages:
    42,343
    Likes Received:
    2,662
    what an overall disaster and tragedy. hopefully many learn from their errors.
     
  3. TheNinja Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2005
    Messages:
    22,414
    Likes Received:
    6,324
    Location:
    Glorious Sweater of Absolute Victory
    It's a sad situation but I think that's a little misleading. It could be that the owner just forgot to pay his DMV renewal for example. Or messed up the peperwork or tried to cut corners and not get certification.

    It doesn't sound like it was the "pilot" who was imcompetent or couldn't navigate in the fog or that the aircraft was technically unable to fly in it.....it just says he wasn't authorized at the time b/c of some missing certifications.
     
  4. rj144 Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2016
    Messages:
    20,869
    Likes Received:
    7,292
    Keep reading:

    "The limitations on Island Express’s operations are not unusual. Another operator at Van Nuys Airport, where the company is based, said none of the charter operators there have gone to the trouble and expense of winning certification for instrument flight, in part because it is normally so simple to navigate at low altitude in Southern California, with its easy-to-follow freeways and sunny weather.


    But the new details about Island Express’s F.A.A. certification shed light on the question of why the pilot did not file an instrument flight plan that would have allowed him to climb well above the fog-shrouded hills and head to Camarillo Airport, not far from the basketball tournament where Mr. Bryant and his party were headed."

    If they would have been certified, he could have flown above the fog on instruments.
     
  5. RerouteToRemain Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2012
    Messages:
    14,424
    Likes Received:
    2,293
    Location:
    AZ
    So he was IFR rated and was given special VFR. That allows a pilot to make the call and go through fog.

    My brother, a pilot, believes he likely got disoriented and started not trusting his instruments. Then started having vestibular illusions leading to a fatal error and crash.

    https://www.flightliteracy.com/spatial-disorientation-and-illusions/
     
  6. TestosterOWN ค้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้ ้้้้้้้้้้#O͙ͦͯͦͯ͛

    I wrote In the other thread I wanna know what happened to cause him to just go straight down? He stated he was going to fly above the clouds. So he does. Then instantly just nose dives straight down? What happened?
     
  7. Uptown Swinger --⋆⋆⋆⋆⋆⋆⋆- ✡ -⋆⋆⋆⋆⋆⋆⋆--

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2011
    Messages:
    6,952
    Likes Received:
    211
    Location:
    I'm From The Bronx NY. Shit Happens.
    Kobe did NOT rape that White Woman.
     
  8. mb23100 Steel Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2012
    Messages:
    28,307
    Likes Received:
    14,252
    Do we know how it went down? Did it fall? Did he simply run directly into a mountain?
     
  9. the ambush Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2013
    Messages:
    14,163
    Likes Received:
    8,376
    Location:
    USA
    I have a little familiarization and exposure to helicopters and jets in the military. Helicopters were the far less reliable of the two technologies where more "oh shit" freak accidents can happen. At least with my limited familiarization that is what I experienced. Even with a seasoned pilot recording 1000's of hours in training, flying on board a helicopter is inherently hazardous and a gamble.
     
  10. TheNinja Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2005
    Messages:
    22,414
    Likes Received:
    6,324
    Location:
    Glorious Sweater of Absolute Victory
    I don't like helicopters much. I feel like if one thing goes wrong you drop like a brick! At least with a plane I have the false sense of security that I could coast into a crash landing and survive :)
     
  11. lostdog000 Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2004
    Messages:
    18,674
    Likes Received:
    1,835
    Location:
    They Came Together (2014) - IMDb
    they need a giant bouncy-ball type airbag for these things
     
  12. Jackie Blue Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2013
    Messages:
    23,798
    Likes Received:
    12,281
    Location:
    Boston, MA
    Lawsuit city, baby.
     
  13. Jackie Blue Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2013
    Messages:
    23,798
    Likes Received:
    12,281
    Location:
    Boston, MA
    Apparently, he rapidly descended and missed clearing a hilltop by only about 20-30 feet.
     
  14. rj144 Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2016
    Messages:
    20,869
    Likes Received:
    7,292
    Helicopters can auto-rotate and glide to a controlled landing without engines.
     
  15. GSP_37 Titanium Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2007
    Messages:
    44,761
    Likes Received:
    3,850
    Location:
    Hawaii
    So owner and pilot must be certified?

    How many people are gonna get civil lawsuits?
     
  16. TheNinja Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2005
    Messages:
    22,414
    Likes Received:
    6,324
    Location:
    Glorious Sweater of Absolute Victory
    [​IMG]
     
  17. TribalDrumz Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2017
    Messages:
    10,364
    Likes Received:
    6,546
    Location:
    SoCal
    The Bigger question for me is why Kobe chose to live in Newport Beach , instead of Beverly Hills, Malibu or some mansion in the hills.

    It's not like he was a beach person. Orange County traffic can be worse than LA.

    Some people really hate LA compared to OC or San Diego maybe that's why.
     
  18. ralphc1 Titanium Belt Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2009
    Messages:
    37,114
    Likes Received:
    3,941
    Listen to a helicopter pilot discuss the situation with the licensing and keeping current on certifications as well as the terrain avoidance systems.
     
  19. Newtieg Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2002
    Messages:
    3,938
    Likes Received:
    1,853
    Location:
    NY
     
  20. Problem Child Beer Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2007
    Messages:
    4,641
    Likes Received:
    17
    Location:
    Top Control
    Revoke his license immediately.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.