Overhook/Arm wrap from closed guard

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  1. Noskill

    Noskill Created Monkey

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    The overhook from the guard is something I am trying to study in depth. I can get triangles and omoplatas from there pretty easily IF I can get in this position.

    My problem, however, is to get there in the first place. I only have two ways of doing it :

    1) Cross grip the sleeve and pull on it, looping the elbow over my head as I get on my side.
    2) I get a good cross lapel grip and I pull hard on the opp., getting on my side like in the other tech. This seems to work when spazzes try to jam their forearm into my throat.

    Are there any other ways of doing it? Details I seem to be missing? Also, I have more success getting the overhook in gi as opposed to no gi. Both of the techniques I use to get it involve gi grips. So, any info on getting it in no gi?
     
  2. wildcard_seven

    wildcard_seven Purple Belt

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    Good topic. I wouldn't mind some tips either. A lot of guys are pretty savvy about avoiding the overhook.

    I've had some success, when they're postured, by: sitting up, getting an underhook and wrapping an arm around their head, gable grip, overhook with the head-wrapping arm when you break them down.
     
  3. blanko

    blanko Guest

    i usually get it when my opponent is gripping my jacket and i break his grip and shrimp into the overhook.
     
  4. Zankou

    Zankou Bringing peace and love Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    It is easier to get in no-gi IMHO. With gi, few guys are going to let you break their grip and transition into an overhook.

    People seem to get it a lot during transitions, when the guy on top takes an underhook, and the guy on bottom takes the overhook and jumps guard. But from guard, tough to get.

    Much easier no-gi because you can knock his hands off your chest real easy. Gi, it is harder to get the arms to the side because they grip the lapel.
     
  5. masada555

    masada555 Orange Belt

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    You can...

    ...swim for the underhook and take the overhook when they repummel.

    ...take a collar tie. Your opponent will likely take the underhook that gives him -- thereby giving you the overhook.
     
  6. Noskill

    Noskill Created Monkey

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    Good replies. Keep them coming.

    Any overhook wizards out there?

    Do you guys know any instructional that covers the overhook from the guard in depth?
     
  7. txfighter13

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    good no-gi technique
     
  8. letsgotribe9

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    My closed guard game is heavily reliant on this, so here is my advice. Eddie Bravo's "Mastering the Rubber Guard" has a very detailed section about getting the opponent's hand to the mat, allowing yourself to hug your knee. Rubber Guard has a majority of techniques stemming from this. What I do is instead of hugging the knee and playing rubber guard (although I do play rubber guard), I'll use the same techniques and get an overhook from my closed guard. This sets up the armbar or pendulum sweep and if I get my hips out to the same side of the overhook, then I'll get an omoplata, kimura, reverse armbar, or take the back.

    So, in essence, either get Eddie's book or look it up online (some of his techniques are called The Zombie, The Exhumer, Night of the Living Dead,). Hope this helps. I'm also interested in finding out new techniques to get this overhook.
     
  9. masada555

    masada555 Orange Belt

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    Paulo Guillobel has a DVD based on attacking off the overhook from guard. Released a few years ago. It was well-received.

    linky
     
  10. Zankou

    Zankou Bringing peace and love Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Yeah that DVD is bad-ass. One of the best nogi dvds I know of. It's all about securing the overhook from closed guard and attacking from there.
     
  11. Drew Foster

    Drew Foster Silver Belt

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    I land most of my triangles from an overhook on their right arm in closed guard. Very good position to attack from, because their posture stays broken.

    Pyramid to Triangle is where it's at! (Eddie Bravo readers/fans/students know this one)
     
  12. blanko

    blanko Guest

    yep one of my favorit things to do in both gi and no gi.
     
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  14. Noskill

    Noskill Created Monkey

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    This thread delivers.

    I'll get the Bravo books (even though I have no plans on starting to play RG) and the Guilobel DVD.

    Wait, for the Bravo stuff, do you recommend the DVD or the book?
     
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    When I overhook sometimes I grab the back of their neck to help control them from posturing up. In nogi when people get slippery they seem to slip out of the overhook easier so the neck thing helps. Then control the other arm to push in or out to triangle.
     
  16. SteMc

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    i usually get it from a failed arm in guillotine attempt, if they escape their head, i keep the arm with me :D
     
  17. spirez

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    To initially get the overhook i just use my right hand to knock their right hand off my body and towards the mat. This breaks their posture and gives you enough time to swim the arm in.

    I'm loving this at the moment.

    Overhook their right arm with your left
    Grab their left wrist with your left so you have both arms controlled.

    Pop your legs over into a reverse triangle and go for armbars, triangles, shoulder locks etc.
    If their arm is straight, place your right hand on their left shoulder, grab your right wrist with left hand and squeeze on the elbow.

    If they bend the arm, reach towards their tricep with your right hand and pull it towards your chest. Keep this grip tight and swim your left arm under so that it is holding their tricep from underneath, and their forearm is resting on top of yours. Now just lever your left arm up for a legs free omoplata style shoulder lock.

    Hard to explain!

    Works great. Only thing i need to work on is when the opponent puts their left elbow to the mat to block my legs. I manage to get it with a combination of bridging, swapping grips and pushing their wrist/elbow but there must be an easier way.
     
  18. Cowboy JiuJitsu

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    This is my position and have a bunch of setups to get there.

    Easiest one:

    *Attempt the standard sit up sweep by posturing up on elbow and reaching over opponents back.

    *Switch your hand placement to his opposite armpit like you are attempting a fake guillotine over his back & neck.

    *Pull his head down while keeping your hand cupped over shoulder and in his armpit.

    *Opponent will always pull head up out of fake guillotine - as he does shoot cupped hand thru his arm, securing the overhook and quickly switch your hips out.

    This will secure the overhook really easy.

    Enjoy :)
     
  19. thegreenblender

    thegreenblender Brown Belt

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    Wow, I just took a second to think about this...and that's genius. You said you have a lot of setups....any more you'd like to share?
     
  20. Zankou

    Zankou Bringing peace and love Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Very interesting setup. Does this work well with the gi too?
     

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