Overeem and Jones should use his clinch more often.

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  1. usadaguy

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    Overeem is not a wrestler. He cant take his opponents down by single / double leg takedowns. His entries are slow, predictable and he's not confident doing this. TE and Blaydes won't prepare him enough, it's too late, Reem is 40 y.o.

    Jones is a greco - roman wrestler and his takedowns from the outside are much better than Reem however he's not great doing this and he's long and skinny that's why he should use his clinch more.

    Greco - roman plus muay thay is a perfect combo for fight in the clinch when you are tall fighter like Jones or Overeem.

    Proper muay thai gyms will teach you how to take your opponent down from the clinch by multiple ways. That's why Overeem's takedowns from the clinch were always high level. Jones is the best wrestler in the clinch, first Cormier fight is a prove.

    Reem and Jones have very stiff boxing, shitty head/body movement and looping hooks (sometimes they overextends as well) however they can fight from orthodox and southpaw well and they have good cross punch especially left cross.

    Jones is using his reach better aka eye pokes. Reem loves to cover behind tight high double guard what's only good when he's stucked next to the fence fighting against other striker.

    Overeem was tired in 4th and 5th against Jairzinho because he tried takedowns from the outside and Rozenstruik landed few nasty body shots when Reem covered behind his guard in the octagon center.

    Reem and Jones are deadly from the clinch, they should spam lot of knees and elbows there and look for the takedown (throws, trips or double next to the fence). On the outside Reem should use his reach more and both guys should spam less overhand right. Both guys have excellent kicks, Jones is a move volume kicker, Reem is more about power and he's a counter striker.
     
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    Overeem should have used Jones' clinch???
     
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  5. usadaguy

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    I cant edit now lol
     
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    Jones would sleep Reem with a jab
     
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    Jones never finished anybody in the UFC by punches (on the feet) even former middleweights.
     
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    I know right? Jones should totally start suplexing everyone again like he did with Stephan Bonnar! He was so strong back then!

    I wonder why he doesn't do that anymore? Hmmm
     
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    Alistair is just simply a shell of what he used to be . The integrity of his chin has been broken down and he at least had the wherewithal to come to states and find a gym that can properly prep him for a fight in todays world in rhythm to his strengths. All this now doesn't matter as the party is over for the reem. The only question now is - will Overeem be content in being towards the bottom of top 10( or lower) and continue to pick up his rather healthy paychecks.
    * Jon Jones isnt " skinny ".... hes bottom light . This has little to do with your thread ...just saying. Jones has still never lost ( dq aside) so I think Jon knows what he's doing.
     
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    Jones isn't a shell of himself without peds, he's just toying with his oponents, he could easily dominate them if he wanted to, he just doesn't want to.
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    I think height is a huge benefit for double/ single leg takedowns in MMA. In wrestling as a sport, you're usually clinched up or in really close range. It can be difficult to shoot in as a tall guy in those situations.

    In MMA it's the complete opposite. You're at striking range. The hardest thing about getting a shot in MMA is getting in the range to do it. Someone like Jon Jones can shoot from the other side of the Octagon with his long legs and long arms.
     
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    Jones uses the clinch when appropriate. Risky against Santos because Santos hits hard and closing the distance was dangerous and I bet Santos can still generate a lot of power from there (at least that's how Jon saw it). Jones used the clinch well against DC, Gus, and Glover. He didn't try many TDs from there, but he inflicted heavy damage.
     
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