Overall Healthiest "Diet"?

[lildog]

I know "healthiest" diet can be vague or convoluted , but I want to know what the wise people on this forum think will lead to the best overall health for the longest life? I been researching things like the Paleo diet and certain Pacific islander diets that have very little to no meat (*besides fish) and eat a lot of coconut oil and tubular vegetables like yams and sweet potatoes and rice to some extent.

Regarding the "diets" above can someone explain to me why Paleo diets usually stay away from legumes for some reason?

Do any of you stay away from animal product besides just fish? b/c it may lead to inflammation in the cardiovascular system which can lead to things like dementia and heart disease.

 

[JSN]

aren't pacific islanders usually super fat and have type 2 diabeetus?

 

[Normot]

aren't pacific islanders usually super fat and have type 2 diabeetus?

Pacific Islanders usually have access to a 7-11 and a minimart. Nothing unhealthy about the way they used to eat, just how they are eating now. The typical American diet is bad for anyone, it's even worse for Pacific Islanders.

 

[lildog]

aren't pacific islanders usually super fat and have type 2 diabeetus?

For sure the islanders that eat lots of pork and processed food b/c they have access to it and are over weight, but some islanders have been isolated from the rest of the world til now and their staples are lots of fish, coconuts, tubulars and have no chicken, beef, or pork and zero processed food...those specific islanders have zero rates of dementia and very very low rates of heart disease. That is why im interested in that particular lifestyle which seems very similar to the more popular Paleo diet in some ways. They don't eat legumes b/c they don't have them but do eat a lot of tubulars.

 

[lildog]

i thought this was interesting,

Blue Zone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know there is always "research" that suggest almost anything but something to chew on still IMO. Also

Alzheimer’s & Dementia Prevention: How to Reduce Your Risk and Protect Your Brain

 

[ChainFlow]

Do any of you stay away from animal product besides just fish? b/c it may lead to inflammation in the cardiovascular system which can lead to things like dementia and heart disease.

What? Proof please.

omega-6 fatty acids have been linked to CV inflammation IIRC, but those are found in "vegetable oils" and crap like that. Never seen a credible study that linked animal products with inflammation that wasn't grouping McDonald's and deli salami in with real animal foods.


People avoid legumes because they have phytates and lectins, which can screw with nutrient absorption and some of your hormones.

 

[lildog]

What? Proof please.

omega-6 fatty acids have been linked to CV inflammation IIRC, but those are found in "vegetable oils" and crap like that. Never seen a credible study that linked animal products with inflammation that wasn't grouping McDonald's and deli salami in with real animal foods.


People avoid legumes because they have phytates and lectins, which can screw with nutrient absorption and some of your hormones.

I'm not trying to sound like an expert or come off as an idiot either...but i its just something ive heard. I'm posting this thread to get more information and opinions on a great diet. Thanks for the info on legumes.

Do you think the high fiber content and moderate protein levels outweigh the possible negative affects of legumes overall? I ask b/c im concerned about getting enough fiber and since i don't eat enough greens i just thought it might be a good thing to eat a couple days a week. I stuck in a weird situation b/c i currently have gastro issues (* i know legumes can cause excessive gas) but with trying to avoid gluten its becoming more difficult to get adequate calories and macro nutrients. I'm also avoiding dairy and choosing to stay away from meat. Thanks for the advice.

 

[Seriously-Dead]

Eat as many greens as you can.
Eat lots of root vegetables and vegetables.
Eat some fruit.
Eat a variety of colors.
Eat plenty of meat and eggs - make sure it's grassfed/pastured/wild.
Eat plenty of quality fats - coconut oil, grassfed dairy, fish oil
Eat small amounts of everything else and maintain occasional variety.
Bounce around between fasting and feasting. Experience real hunger and real fullness.
Look at weekly or monthly caloric intake, not daily.

There you go, that's as simple as it gets.

Live long and prosper.

 

[immovablestone]

I know "healthiest" diet can be vague or convoluted , but I want to know what the wise people on this forum think will lead to the best overall health for the longest life?

There's nothing convoluted about it. Pastured animals and seasonally harvested, wild plants. All grown in unpolluted areas. Done.

Good luck.

 

[immovablestone]

I'm also avoiding dairy and choosing to stay away from meat.

Mistakes.

 

[chadbbad]

We Don't know. and are possibly wrong on our current beliefs

 

[lildog]

Mistakes.

I'm highly lactose intolerant and believe i can get a tone of good fat and protein from fish so i don't "need" meat.

 

[Nemesis48]

I know "healthiest" diet can be vague or convoluted , but I want to know what the wise people on this forum think will lead to the best overall health for the longest life? I been researching things like the Paleo diet and certain Pacific islander diets that have very little to no meat (*besides fish) and eat a lot of coconut oil and tubular vegetables like yams and sweet potatoes and rice to some extent.

Regarding the "diets" above can someone explain to me why Paleo diets usually stay away from legumes for some reason?

Do any of you stay away from animal product besides just fish? b/c it may lead to inflammation in the cardiovascular system which can lead to things like dementia and heart disease.

No such thing as the "healthiest" diet as everyone's genetics and hormonal levels are different, and that drastically effects tolerances. That being said, while some are more tolerant than others to certain foods, some foods are universally healthy.

What is true is that pre-Agricultural man was thinner, more muscular, had less tooth and bone pathologies, and taller - and their diet was overwhelmingly focused on high sources of fat and protein, with small amounts of natural, non-grain dietary carbohydrate. Historically speaking man's height decreased and health worsened when grains became a staple of the diet.

 

[hardheart]

I'm highly lactose intolerant and believe i can get a tone of good fat and protein from fish so i don't "need" meat.

What part of the "fish" will you be eating that is not "meat?"

If you go pescatarian that's fine. Try to stay with wild caught fish rather than the farmed garbage like Salmon & Talipia. If you're on the West coast the bulk of the Cod should be wild.

Thankfully, I have a relative that goes out during Tuna season and goes out regularly to catch Cod (Ling & Red Snapper).

 

[airic_15]

 

[forum poster]

Eat as many greens as you can.
Eat lots of root vegetables and vegetables.
Eat some fruit.
Eat a variety of colors.
Eat plenty of meat and eggs - make sure it's grassfed/pastured/wild.
Eat plenty of quality fats - coconut oil, grassfed dairy, fish oil
Eat small amounts of everything else and maintain occasional variety.
Bounce around between fasting and feasting. Experience real hunger and real fullness.
Look at weekly or monthly caloric intake, not daily.

There you go, that's as simple as it gets.

Live long and prosper.

This. Also adding to avoid seed oils to that and you have a great diet. And perhaps even grains and highly processed dariy depending on how you tolerate them.

 

[lildog]

No such thing as the "healthiest" diet as everyone's genetics and hormonal levels are different, and that drastically effects tolerances. That being said, while some are more tolerant than others to certain foods, some foods are universally healthy.

What is true is that pre-Agricultural man was thinner, more muscular, had less tooth and bone pathologies, and taller - and their diet was overwhelmingly focused on high sources of fat and protein, with small amounts of natural, non-grain dietary carbohydrate. Historically speaking man's height decreased and health worsened when grains became a staple of the diet.

Thats interesting do you have any links to the above info? Man was actually taller? Was that an actual "man" or something before homosapien?

 

[lildog]

What part of the "fish" will you be eating that is not "meat?"

If you go pescatarian that's fine. Try to stay with wild caught fish rather than the farmed garbage like Salmon & Talipia. If you're on the West coast the bulk of the Cod should be wild.

Thankfully, I have a relative that goes out during Tuna season and goes out regularly to catch Cod (Ling & Red Snapper).

What about wild caught Salmon and Tilapia? Isn't true that the fishes higher in Omega 3s are superior nutritionally speaking than ones like tilapia, flounder, etc.

Problem for me is that i think fish that taste well fishy is not great and would prefer tilapia that is wild caught.

What are your thoughts on wild vs. farm raised shellfish especially considering the oil spill in the Gulf?

 

[Siderealmotion]

"Constance Huening, Cincinnati, OH – “90 Years of Craving” – This 90-year-old Craver was born the same year White Castle opened its first restaurant. Constance has been eating Sliders since she was a little girl and starts every year by eating her favorite sandwich on New Years Day."

Has already outlived the average Raw Vegan life expectancy.

Genetics says hello.

 

[lildog]

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