Economy Over 11,000 Texas farmers ask for government bailout due to Trumps tariffs

[ocean size]

Trump will help the farmer out.

Socialism bless.

 

[ocean size]

The Left likes illegal immigrants more than they like farmers.

Since when does the left want to give illegal immigrants billions in hand outs?

Also if trump loved farmers maybe he shouldn't have pushed tariffs that would fuck them despite what nearly all knowing parties recommended

 

[Juventud]

I was only messing. I see the double standards people use on both sides.

I'm just a little surprised the farmers get tarred with the same brush as welfare bums.
Here in the UK the poor buggers work their socks off for next to nothing in some examples.

We're actually just joking and making fun of the hypocrisy the right likes to whinge about "free handouts" coming back to bite them, from the President they voted for.

Everyone likes Farmers, they obviously keep the whole country going.
If inner city populations had natural resources to utilize for revenue like country folk do i think the majority would harvest just as well.

@58miles Dude, your condescending, divisive attitude and self righteousness are the reason that buffoon Donald Trump is our president. Keep it up and its gonna be another 4 years.

Nice to see you're on your best behavior after back from being banned.

Now if 'mean libruls with purple hair' scare you and you get riled up by right wing media outrage "they're taking our guns, lets give the rich tax cuts" and feel you're being 'forced' to vote for Trump, that's on YOU. Don't pin your dumb fuck decisions on other people.

 

[Rational Poster]

Wow man, 11 thousand?!?!?!?! That's less than 5% of the farmers in that 1 single state!! fail thread is failing.

Can you math?

There are 50 states, if all states had claimants at just half the rate of Texas that's nearly 1/4th of all farmers claiming money from the government...

But based on the article there are 864,000 claimants nation wide which is nearly 1/2 of all farmers.

 

[lfd0311]

Can you math?

There are 50 states, if all states had claimants at just half the rate of Texas that's nearly 1/4th of all farmers claiming money from the government...

But based on the article there are 864,000 claimants nation wide which is nearly 1/2 of all farmers.

I can math, can you? It's 4.44%.

 

[Rational Poster]

I can math, can you? It's 4.44%.

864,000 claimants nation wide

2.2 million total farmers

Can you math?

 

[lfd0311]

864,000 claimants nation wide

2.2 million total farmers

Can you math?

That's not anywhere near half....

 

[Natty Dread]

This is great news for leftard scum.

 

[Rational Poster]

That's not anywhere near half....

It's more than 1/3rd and less than 1/2... making it nearly 1/2.

 

[lfd0311]

It's more than 1/3rd and less than 1/2... making it nearly 1/2.

It's 136k from half. That's not "close to".

 

[Rational Poster]

It's 136k from half. That's not "close to".

It's 40%.

 

[VivaRevolution]

A trillion per year, sounds very Obama-esque

It was only a trillion a year for Obama because the economy crashed. By the end of his term it was 500 billion, not because of cuts, but because tax revenue recovered.

Trump has doubled our yearly debt from Obama.

He is a socialist, without the social programs.

 

[lfd0311]

It's 40%.

I'm not the one reaching. It's amazing how terrible your posts consistenly are.

 

[Rational Poster]

I'm not the one reaching. It's amazing how terrible your posts consistenly are.

 

[SaiWa]

I'm not the one reaching. It's amazing how terrible your posts consistenly are.

40% is nearly half... It certainly isn't a small portion...

and it is definitely way more accurate than the 5% in a single state your erroneously claimed.

LOL at backpedaling like a tard cause you cannot read and calculate properly...

 

[lfd0311]

40% is nearly half... It certainly isn't a small portion...

and it is definitely way more accurate than the 5% in a single state your erroneously claimed.

LOL at backpedaling like a tard cause you cannot read and calculate properly...

11 from 248 is 4.44%. Jesus. That isn't hard math at all.

 

[SammyPops]

Farmers are the biggest welfare cry babies.

 

[Sano]

Farmers still get way more in subsidies and bailouts in comparison to their assets and production value. Besides if these farmers are in such dire financial straights why don't they get an extra job? Why don't they sell one of their pickup trucks? To save money why don't they milk their own damn cows, herd their own damn cattle, pick their own grapes instead of hiring Mexican migrants to do it for them? Are these farmers too lazy to work? Why should my tax money got to Homer the farmer so he can get a new Ford F150?

They try to rationalise this away, but your post and the rest in this thread CLEARLY shows two important things. One, the right wing argument of being "lazy" and "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" to the point of absurdity can be used indiscriminately. Two, we all support government intervention and subsidies in one way or the other, which in reality is what our entire society is based on.

Some people are ready to have an honest discussion about how we use this oversight, clear out the corrupting influences and distribute the resources in a sensible manner that's best for our society. Others are hypocrites who refuse to accept point one and two above, and yells "socialism" whenever there's a policy they don't like.

 

[dormammu]

"We should do away with these evil farmers, animals have rights, go vegan"

Let the problem solve itself

 

[panamaican]

Very informative. Thank you. I agree with everything you said. In you're opinion, what's your solution? UBI?

The solution starts with acknowledging what does and doesn't work. UBI is a tool but I don't think it's the only, or even the best, solution, except as a low overhead substitute for multiple welfare programs.

The first part of acknowledging what does and doesn't work is accepting that our economic system must put some people at the bottom of the economic scale. No matter what we do, some jobs and some industries and some regions of the country are going to be impoverished. We cannot for companies to set up anywhere, we cannot keep some industries sustainable and we cannot force jobs to pay more than what they're worth (why I'm against the minimum wage). If you can't force companies to employ everyone at a living wage then the only solution is for the government to manage the slack.

For me, that means overhauling education so that college is considered part of the public school system. When high school was considered the standard for entering the workforce in the 1940's and 50's, the same percentage of people graduated from high school that now graduate from college. College is the new high school from a societal job preparation standpoint.

When the social safety net was first introduced, most households were 2 parent and one parent stayed home with the kids. Modern society, most households are either single parent or both parents are working. This means that early childcare costs, which used to be rare, have become essential. And yet the costs are exorbitant. In most places, the cost of childcare is the equivalent of rent. How many people on the lower half of the income scale can afford rent on 2 apartments at the same? Yet that is what they must do to afford daycare. So many people complain that they work just to pay for childcare - that's pointless. They have no money left over after the bill and they're not spending time with their kids at the most formative time of their lives. It's a 2x loss. Subsidizing the cost of childcare returns the economic situation to normal for most families.

That's just the start, there's a wide range of things that no longer work economically because society has changed, the government has to update what it does to reflect that.