Ouchi gari + kouchi gake

[dudeguyman]

So what kinda advice can you guys give me on the application of these moves, in an mma sense? And just for the sake of simplicity, lets just say these are the only tools at your disposal for taking someone down. Personally what I like is that i can kind of mix them in while using my sidekick lead roundhouse kick, and lead hook kick to kick at the legs.

 

[efficientjudo]

While not aimed at MMA, we have a video series on Ouchi-gari covering Basics > Set ups > Competitive variations: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwd8pJWYTk06DRV7ix4WnChIu74Z2OSV8

Check out the Ouchi-gake at the end of the competitive variations vid, its probably the more common Ouchi used in MMA.

A few other throws to consider combining with kicks would be De-ashi-barai, Ko-soto-gari - I had a Judo / MMA coach and would alternate between kicks and foot sweeps to devastating effect.

 

[Uchi Mata]

I would not use kouchi gake in MMA. It can be made to work, but you're at high risk of giving up your back, especially if you're shooting the arm across the hip in Judo style.

For ouchi gari, probably the easiest way to see how to make it work in a no-gi environment is to look up inside trips and see how wrestlers set it up. Off the top of my head John Trenge has an inside trip that works well from MMA style clinches, and Mark Munoz hit a few in MMA so you can watch his fights and see how he set them up. Fedor also hit his share and used a more Judo style so you might research his stuff a bit too.

 

[efficientjudo]

I would not use kouchi gake in MMA. It can be made to work, but you're at high risk of giving up your back, especially if you're shooting the arm across the hip in Judo style.

I agree, but you do see a few BJJ guys use it well, keeping the arm on the opposite side as opposed to ippon seoi style.

 

[tekkenfan]

I would not use kouchi gake in MMA. It can be made to work, but you're at high risk of giving up your back, especially if you're shooting the arm across the hip in Judo style.

For ouchi gari, probably the easiest way to see how to make it work in a no-gi environment is to look up inside trips and see how wrestlers set it up. Off the top of my head John Trenge has an inside trip that works well from MMA style clinches, and Mark Munoz hit a few in MMA so you can watch his fights and see how he set them up. Fedor also hit his share and used a more Judo style so you might research his stuff a bit too.

yeah thats how chael got rampage down in round 2 and 3 with inside trips from over under


i use to be to afraid to go for it but a few guys have been hitting them lately

 

[QingTian]

These should not be done at kick range, but clinch range. They will fail otherwise. Upper body control is key.

Moreover they land you in guard most of the time and do little damage, so I'd rather use them only if nothing else works or build to something better.

 

[ArtemV]

Watch Islam Makhachev vs Nik Lentz, he hit two easy ouchi gari vs Lentz.

 

[EndlessCritic]

So what kinda advice can you guys give me on the application of these moves, in an mma sense? And just for the sake of simplicity, lets just say these are the only tools at your disposal for taking someone down. Personally what I like is that i can kind of mix them in while using my sidekick lead roundhouse kick, and lead hook kick to kick at the legs.

The best Kouchi Gake player I have ever seen in MMA is Papy Abedi. He hit kouchi gake in all three rounds against Besam Yousef.

Pat Curran has also used kouchi gake a fair bit. He hits it against Straus in this clip at 2:30



Ouchi Gari is a bit more common. Randy Couture may have been one of the best we've seen in MMA with it.

 

[dudeguyman]

These should not be done at kick range, but clinch range. They will fail otherwise. Upper body control is key.

Moreover they land you in guard most of the time and do little damage, so I'd rather use them only if nothing else works or build to something better.

Well i use my lead leg sidekick, and the the other kicks to a lesser degree to position myself, close the distance for the clinch, and hurt their legs for a moment while i close in. Also i don't have much real fight experience but the only trip i got down real good is ouchi and i instinctively used a kouchi gake after i failed to defend myself with ouchi before. Plus you could probably kill someone with these techniques if you land the back of their head on a corner or something. Or you could just ground and pound them from inside their guard and combine that with passing anyway. Also I'm relatively green so i don't have a large repotuar of ways to take them down.

 

[Chungungo]

A sensei I had from Brazil used to say kouchi makekomi is totally usefull in MMA as long as you keep your self centered and don´t go like in ippon for judo when ususally back is exposed.

The same teacher used to do Ouchi after a Kouchi set up to grab one leg so the ouchi goes for the only leg in contact with the floor.

 

[shunyata]

I love o uchi and ko uchi gari, and keep on drilling those but don't forget about o soto and ko soto gari either. The four work together as a toolkit and should be used to chain and flow as one attacks the legs. Another fun one is to enter with uchi mata and if they hop or step out of your leg you immediately redirect into ko soto gari on the planted foot.

Reaping and tripping throws are actually extremely natural and we see them coming up through the ages in many different grappling styles. While they may be more codified in Judo or Sambo, these throws may be older than the human mastery of writing or even fire.

But Qing Tian is spot on, reaps and trips and much of no gi Judo including MMA applications is going to be from the clinch. These types of throws focus rotating the opponent by pinning their upper body to you while manipulating the lower body. If your grips slip or are deficient before the balance of your opponent is disturbed, your ability to execute the throw can be heavily compromised.

 

[rmongler]

So what kinda advice can you guys give me on the application of these moves, in an mma sense? And just for the sake of simplicity, lets just say these are the only tools at your disposal for taking someone down. Personally what I like is that i can kind of mix them in while using my sidekick lead roundhouse kick, and lead hook kick to kick at the legs.

Cage wrestling.