Ouchi Gaeshi! Counter throw slams opponent hard.

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Hey, I was a BJJ tourney recently and had a cool counter-takedown that ended up giving the guy a mild concussion.

I used a variation of the "Ouchi Gaeshi", which can be found here: http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/ouchigaeshi.gif


It goes like this: when someone tries to sweep your same-side leg, aka "Ko Soto Gake", (whether it is from standing, or if you are in his guard standing, as in my case) you essentially give him your leg, and twist your upper torso 180 degrees toward the side that he is taking you. By taking his leg and twisting your upper body towards the ground, you position yourself on top of him so that he lands back down.

What happened here is that rode me while standing (always a mistake) and although I wanted to slam him a la Rampage, I couldn't (BJJ rules). So I waited until he dropped, knowing he would probably try the trip. He did, I performed the counter-throw, and BAM... he slammed his head on the mat, the audience gave me a nice OHHHHHH.......

He said that when he hit, he saw "a lightning bolt of green", and he had trouble remembering the rest of the match. Yep... mild concussion...

here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM3vfj-t8jM
 
Well done. If you know he is coming with an outside trip while sliding down your body, you can also just uchi mata the poor sucker (overhook, inside trip throw in wrestling). He should have known better than to try and throw you from such a weak position. I guess you taught him that lesson the hard way.
 
Congratulations on concussing someone in a sport grappling tournament.
 
Cojofl said:
Congratulations on concussing someone in a sport grappling tournament.
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It was unintentional, and he should have known better...

Accidents happen. Plus, it looked cool...
 
icantstandit said:
It was unintentional, and he should have known better...

Accidents happen. Plus, it looked cool...
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No need to feel bad about it. This wasn't practice, this was a competition. There are risks involved when you compete in a combat sport, and one of them is the risk of getting thrown on your head. You weren't trying to hurt anybody, you were just executing a technique. I'm sure your opponent has no problem with it, so I wouldn't even listen to the deadpan sarcasm of some hypersensitive Sherdogger.
 
DaRuckus337 said:
No need to feel bad about it. This wasn't practice, this was a competition. There are risks involved when you compete in a combat sport, and one of them is the risk of getting thrown on your head. You weren't trying to hurt anybody, you were just executing a technique. I'm sure your opponent has no problem with it, so I wouldn't even listen to the deadpan sarcasm of some hypersensitive Sherdogger.
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Of course...

You a Judo guy Ruckus? Uchi Mata is the other counter to that move, so you seem to know some...

Peace.


icsi
 
icantstandit said:
Of course...

You a Judo guy Ruckus? Uchi Mata is the other counter to that move, so you seem to know some...

Peace.


icsi
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Not really, wrestled in college, jiu jitsu and sub wrestling now. High level wrestling and judo actually have alot of moves in common, it's just the names and grips that vary. The hip movement and set up of an overhook-inside trip throw in wrestling is exactly the same as you would use in Judo with an uchi mata, it's just that there is no gi to grab when you execute the technique. I pick up some judo throw names from some of the various people I have trained and competed with over the years (used to wrestle with a black belt judoka, do jiu jitsu with blackbelt judokas, so I get the Japanese names for the techniques I already know from time to time).
 
I could tell from the expression on his face that he thought he was going to be able to pull me down to the mat. But I brought him up in the air, and almost slammed him just out of habit. BUt I froze, as he was working a choke, and once I neutralized the choke, he went for that trip. I cut out about 20 seconds of just standing there, holding him up, while he worked the choke. It was weird position, but I was never in danger though...


THere are slams if they come from a takedown or throw, but once they are in the guard position, if you pick them up, you can't slam them down. It's a BJJ rule that I dont like, because it teaches bad habits... holding on like that, in martial arts or in a fight, is just stoopid.

But it was a comp BJJ tourney, so not all the techniques are great for the street. That is one of the things I don't like about comp BJJ- they teach you some horrible techniques that are only useful in BJJ tourneys... bad martial arts IMO. Sort of like the situation with Judo...
 
I don't like not being able to slam, its so freaking easy for me to stand up when someone is doing one of the more basic subs on me and get out of it that way. I try to tell myself it is important to learn other ways to get out of these subs (I am admittedly a BJJ noob) and not to forget that when I am in MMA match or on the street that I can do what I please. I can see why you aren't allowed to do it, its just that I have a preference for BJJ to be more street effective that sport effective. Anyhow I liked the technique you used, I just wish it had been shot from a better angle so I could have seen it better.
 
That was sorta of a Kosoto gake gaeishi? It was sweet man. Ouchi Gaeshi is one of my favorite techniques, hands down, and I often bate people into it by leaving my left leg a little forward and open.

I also know what you mean about the impracticality of some techniques in BJJ. You just have to think of it like this. Is basketball practical for streetfighting? No, but it is really fun, and there's nothing wrong with pursuing a sport simply cause you want to be good at it and enjoy succeeding in it. In the same way, there's nothing wrong with pursuing sport BJJ just like you would any other sport. Even though much of what you'll learn isn't practical for the a real self-defence situation, you still can have a lot of fun at it. And learning all those less practical techniques will make you a better grappler in the long run, which will in turn make you smoother with your self-defense techniques.

Just my thoughts. Again, sweet throw. What tourney was this?
 
bjjbryce said:
That was sorta of a Kosoto gake gaeishi? It was sweet man. Ouchi Gaeshi is one of my favorite techniques, hands down, and I often bate people into it by leaving my left leg a little forward and open.

I also know what you mean about the impracticality of some techniques in BJJ. You just have to think of it like this. Is basketball practical for streetfighting? No, but it is really fun, and there's nothing wrong with pursuing a sport simply cause you want to be good at it and enjoy succeeding in it. In the same way, there's nothing wrong with pursuing sport BJJ just like you would any other sport. Even though much of what you'll learn isn't practical for the a real self-defence situation, you still can have a lot of fun at it. And learning all those less practical techniques will make you a better grappler in the long run, which will in turn make you smoother with your self-defense techniques.

Just my thoughts. Again, sweet throw. What tourney was this?
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Yeah, I guess that is the name. I learned a lot of throws, and never really got the names right.

yeah, i was a wrestler too, so I can understand that BJJ is now a sport that has a lot of impractical techniques, but that I shouldn't worry about. I guess the key is just to know which techniques I should avoid in a street fight. Same with judo. Same with wrestling. Same with even boxing...

That tourney was the United Gracie open in June of this past year. Here in san Francisco. Hands-down the best (most organized, fun) BJJ tourney I have ever participated. very smooth tourney...
 
Excellent! For a second I couldnt see who tripped who, and then the vid slowed down. Almost looks like he got the full blast of it.
 
It's allways cool when you can counter a takedown in a cool way... is the guy ok?
 
The guy who ended up getting the throw had MUCH BETTER throwing position and that guy who attempted that leg sweep.
 
Codazo said:
It's allways cool when you can counter a takedown in a cool way... is the guy ok?
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Yeah, he was fine, but he had trouble remembering the fight. He just got knocked pretty hard. He didn't go to the doctor's or anything.


deej said:
Excellent! For a second I couldnt see who tripped who, and then the vid slowed down. Almost looks like he got the full blast of it.
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He certainly did. There was a loud thud, and he landed flat on his back.

I wish it were Judo though... that would have ended the match.
 
I would have just called that ouchi gari. Ouchi gaeshi would have been a counter to ouchi gari.
 
Firstly you misspelled counter in the video title, second that looked like a Kouchi gaeshi, but then again the video isn't great.

I've never got that throw to work in randori or comp. always ended up countering with an uchimata or stepping off into a harai goshi.
 
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