osoto-makikomi vs the shot?

[Q mystic]

I have heard about uchimata vs the shot but has anyone used osoto-makikomi vs a shot successfullly?

I used to do it often with mixed results. Alot depended on the anticipation of the shot but it scored for me plenty and if he isn't low enuff then you can go back for straight osoto.

 

[Shaldag]

cant picture this exactly (what grips?), i think most competent guys will take your back though. we sometimes drill a defense where you hip in, overhook the head, grab the chin (john danaher's "chin-strap") and the back elbow, lift and step outside (thus blocking) the knee and spin uke for a combined osoto gari/tai otoshi. That all relies on uke dropping to his knee for the shot. The best bet for a judo guy in mma or submission grappling (not necessarily a good idea in judo) is prolly sumi gaeshi vs singles or doubles.

 

[Happy Boy]

Ehmm, after a sprawl Ive nailed a lot of osotos once you stop their drive and they are just starting to back off, not in makikomi form though. Could be worth a look, harai makikomi would prob be better though, plus if you hold on you get a great vantage point on the deck.

 

[Hammer Time]

yes i dont know about osoto mak but a harai mak or soto mak woudl do well if they went for a shot and gota grip while the person was driving u turn and wind them up finishing with them being slammed on their back. ive seen this done in practice once but i dont know about it being a solid defence. maybe its a little risky, unless u are a master at makkikomi i wouldnt like the risk involved with it. Q do u have any video of high level guys doing this

 

[Q mystic]

I would just go clinch in collar and elbow. Anticipate to where I was almost a sidestep to draw the shot. Once he drops you turn and leg on outside, while yanking in tight to turn with elbow(just osoto-makikomi). Drop your driving leg back to make the angle for throw. Often would get what would be a yuko or koka but he is there to where you take the head to kesa or close enuff with arm control.

Yes, if you miss its a mis-throw and he will take back..like most of the rest.

That worked best for me as a counter tho and worked vs my 'wrestling' equals or better often.

 

[judogido]

I use sumi-gaeshi, rolling fully over and ending up in mount (mostly )

 

[Bubble Boy]

As my personal "judo" tastes against the shot go:

1: Uchimata
2: Uchimata
3: Uchimata
4: Sumi-gaeshi
5: Maki-Komi!!!!
6. Sprawl

 

[Shaldag]

I use sumi-gaeshi, rolling fully over and ending up in mount (mostly )

Hows the reffing in Australia?
I know in the US more often then not the guy who shoots will get the ippon and the the sumi gaeshi is like overkill.

 

[Happy Boy]

Thats my worry for some sacrifice throws when the reffing is poor. Ever see Jeon's method of "tipping the scales" to counter uchi-mata? No way would I try that at home, even if you nailed it perfectly, to some refs it looks like the attacker went for it and you ended up going over your back.

 

[Q mystic]

I use sumi-gaeshi, rolling fully over and ending up in mount (mostly )

Word. I never used it in judo and couldn't in wrestling so I never was really good at it but these days in grappling it seems it would be sweet.

 

[Happy Boy]

Sumi gaeshi is a great throw. Im right handed and left footed so I do a funny variation on it which catched a lot unaware, so with right hand grips I do a left footed action and as right right arm is tied up they cant put it out to block the motion.

 

[Hammer Time]

good thread

 

[IChinaManI]

I've heard of uchi mata with the shot, but I can never get it. Anybody got some vids so i can I can get some of the phases and body position etc?

 

[judogido]

Hows the reffing in Australia?
I know in the US more often then not the guy who shoots will get the ippon and the the sumi gaeshi is like overkill.

I would never do it in a judo competition - too risky for that exact reason. You HAVE to stop the momentum of the shoot before performing the sumi-gaeshi or it just looks like he threw you with it.

However, in BJJ, wrestling, MMA?.......

 

[Shaldag]

Its great in jiu jitsu/mma, I use it all the time in jiu jitsu training and most guys with good shots still fly right over (this is in part because my jiu jitsu coach is a sumi gaeshi specialist and really emphasizes it) I used to use it alot in judo, but the higher ranks used to give it to me that it would be a bad idea for shiai.