Osoto-Goshi???

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Drew Foster, May 18, 2008.

  1. Drew Foster

    Drew Foster Silver Belt

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    I've seen this in JJJ.

    Set-up for Osoto, but then step deeper and and place the back of your hips against the ukes'. Then you basically do an Ogoshi movement and drop them on their head, or flip them all the way to the chet, or if they turn in the air, land them on their side. It puts a lot of stress on uke's spine.

    What would this be called? (Osoto Goshi, Ura Seoi Nage?)

    Whould it be legal in Judo?

    Has it ever been a legit technique?

    Anyone seen this?
     
  2. Balto

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    Osoto otoshi?
     
  3. YeahBee

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    Osoto Guruma?

    I know that there is a video(actual VHS) floating around from the Kyoto police dept or something like that, they have alotta techniques adapted for police work, they want suspect to land on their stomach
     
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    Sounds like a nasty version of the Tenri Shrug... :eek:
     
  5. Drew Foster

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    No there's no leg work involved at all. Imagine Osoto grips, atnding all the way behind the uke,facing opposite directions. Your knees are well bent. Both feet stay on he floor, then you lift from your knees and lower back (like Ogoshi) and they basically do a bacwards somersault overy your lowe back and land on the top of their head, breakig their neck. Or ifou want to keep hem safe, you can move out from under them, so they fal on their back.


    This would be a hip technique. No legs involved. Both feet STAY planted.
     
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    o-goshi with the tori not facing you

    I browsed thru the Canon of Judo and didn't see it
     
  7. Drew Foster

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    Check your PMS man...
     
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    Osotoguruma can be pretty much like you described thou

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    I laod them up pretty much on my hip when doing it and I have flipped guys all the way round to their stomach
     
  9. Drew Foster

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    Yea it isn't a Judo tchnique. It's from TraditionalJJ schools. It's very dangerous. I'm just saying, if you dd it ina tourney, would it be legit or would yyyou get a shido? If i was legit, what would the ref call it?

    It's a backwards OGoshi. I guess I could have done a lot less explaining. :redface:
     
  10. Drew Foster

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    That's exactly howe I do my Osoto-Gruma too :icon_chee,

    but this version has both feet planeted the whole time.


    It's ok man. We're gonna run circles here. Don't worry about it. Thanks for replying though.
     
  11. Drew Foster

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    YEAHBEE


    Side note, do you stay away from osoto Guruma for the reason that they often can turn easy and not land flat on back? I often do.
     
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    If you bend at the waist enough it will happen less

    my ratio of ippons from standing versus ippon from ground is probably 9/10 in favour of the grond thou, my opponenets are often the lighter dudes who enter the absolute and they are squirmy mofo :)
     
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    Sounds like Osoto Gruma minus the full reap (which is how I hit my Osoto Gari's, more of a post on the reaping leg instead of the full sweeping motion).
     
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    that video was sooo bad in sooo many ways.

    about the throw, the only way you will ever plant that deep is if your uke is retarded or maybe dead (as royce gracie would say, this wont even work on someone who is sleeping) and if you try it you will get osoto'd in the process.
     
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    There is a technique similar to this in Judo, which in Daigo's book he calls it a blend of osoto and harai goshi. You do step past and your hip does much of the throw, but the sweep is done still. I like it myself but it is difficult and for me easier on shorter opponents. I think traditional osoto is more practical still. I cannot imagine just using the hip to finish. Not for Judo purposes anyway. Osoto guruma is different in that your hip isn't inserted.
     
  19. Drew Foster

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    Not to restart a dead thread but I just noticed that technique in the book this morning.
     

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