Ortiz's opinion on boxers??

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  1. MC Paul Barman Gold Belt Platinum Member

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    This was published May 01, 2008:

    Tito's Interview

    He's asked a question:

    Did you ever think the UFC would become mainstream? It
     
  2. mvisit1 Blue Belt

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    In theory, your average boxer should beat the average MMA'er in a pure boxing match, and the MMA'er should win an MMA match against someone who just trains boxing.

    I agree with Tito. I think MMA practitioners are more versatile than boxers. They have way more options to attack/defend each other with.

    Heck, MMA practitioners ARE boxers. They're just not hardcore boxers. An MMA practitioner is an average boxer, an average muay thai kickboxer, an average wrestler, an average jiujitsu player, etc. And some MMA guys actually are hardcore practitioners of at least one of those styles, whichever one they began their training with before making the transition into MMA.
     
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    But what is your standard?
    Is your standard "that which is more analogous to an NHB fight"?
    That would have to be it. These comments are revealing because after all of the effort to get venues like the UFC respected as an actual sport for many of the strong supporters of that sport it basically comes down to "as long as it is as close to an NHB event as possible".

    The only alternative is ditch the concern about which would be more apt for a street fight/NHB fight, accept that any differences are truly arbitrary, which would leave comments like "because MMA guys are just so much better than boxers" vapid and irrelevant.
     
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    Quick comment about this too.

    There really is no "thinking" about the versatility involved in the two different sports. Boxers are limited to what they do in the ring by definition of the sport under the Marquis of Queensberry Rules.
    So this two would be an arbitrary concern -
    S:"soccer is better than wrestling"
    W:"why?"
    S:"because in our sport we have a larger field of play"
     
  5. walex87 Guest

    ha it cracks me up when people have large vocabs... i mean honestly give me almost in book i'll read it and understand it... i just dont work on adding words to my vocab... does it make you feel good or like you're better than people?

    i just dont see the point in doing that when a vast majority of society will not understand you

    and i do see your point about tito being ignorant with his comments.... the guy is just trying to argue his side but is being to bias
     
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    if mma fighters are better then boxers, tito would be fighting in the majors, not getting his ass beat for a few hundred thou.
     
  7. TGR74 Brown Belt

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    Although not highly regarded, I watched my first Tough Man fight this year live.

    Let me tell you. You have to be a really good boxer to take that onslaught. Most of the guys obviously trained some form or fashion. And there were a few good guys in there that you could tell boxed.

    It was not strategic with the exception of landing as many punches as fast as you possible could. It did make me realize that one minute is a long time for a guy to swing non stop as hard and as fast as he can...and not be a a good amatuer boxer.

    Granted the guy that did the best was a very good boxer and won. But he had to endure some brutal beat downs before laying in some solid shots, that many of the other boxers in the tournament could not make it through.
     
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    Ok...let's try this again. I think I see what Tito meant, but he had poor word choice.

    What he should have said was you really can't compare the 2 because when the ref breaks up boxers from a clinch, in MMA the fighters keep working. Who knows, maybe Dana paid him to say that.

    MMA fighters aren't better at boxing than boxers, but I think they're better at fighting.
     
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    Tito is an idiot. The ironic part is that the guy has been completely owned by strikers his WHOLE career and yet has the nerve to bash boxing.

    Maybe if Ortiz spent more time in a boxing gym he would have gotten ONE punch in on Machida instead of looking like a slow uncoordinated meathead.

    Like I said earlier and ill say it again. Mediocre boxers such as Chris Lytle, Marcus Davis, Alessio Sakara and Jeremy Williams have accumulated a pretty damn impressive MMA record. In fact Lytle and Davis are arguably in the top 10 of their division in the world. And Lytle and Davis started incredibly late in MMA and still managed to grasp the wrestling/BJJ game quite well. They have improved so greatly that many of their victories have come by submissions.

    And about boxers whos to say they dont have backgrounds in other disciplines. You'd be surprised how many boxers have wrestling or muay thai/kickboxing backgrounds. Kermit Cintron, Oneil Bell have wrestling backgrounds and Sam Soliman has a black belt in Kyokushin Karate. Just because they fight a certain way under a specific set of rules does not dictate how they'd fight in other situations.

    And you know what this can be applied to MMA as well. Last time I checked in a street fight you dont have 3 months to prepare, judges, referee, crowds, mouthguards, gloves, rounds, breaks.

    You can be the greatest BJJ/wrestler in the world but if you get caught in a flurry from a professional boxer on a street your going to get lit up. And Tito knows alot about getting lit up in a "real" fight. Just ask kickboxer Lee Murray. Why didnt TITO pull guard? Where was Tito's triangle against Lee Murray? Maybe he was going to do GnP after he was finished picking up his teeth off the pavement.

    Sorry, I think I went off-topic but ignorant comments piss me off. It seems as though MMA is doing alot more of the trash talk than boxing.
     
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    Yeah, this is what this place needs. More 'us vs them' trash.

    I remember now why I stopped posting here.
     
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    barman is stirring the pot....
     
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    The ref does not break up every clinch, he breaks up the clinch when theres no action. Some times I'd love it if the mma ref would break up to wrestlers holding each other up against the cage. Fighters like Hatton and Tyson did some of there best work from the clinch. Also, if boxers like Tyson and Hatton had open grapplers gloves they would have some of the best "dirty boxing" ever seen. Tito is a dumb ass. If you put David Haye in the cage with Tito 10 times(with little to no TKD) the hayemaker would catch him once, twice, maybe even three times. Tito could take a time machine back to 1995 and train his entire life and never make it outta the first or second round with Haye. Fuck Tito, go coach highschool wrestling, thats what your good at.
     
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    The ref does not break up every clinch, he breaks up the clinch when theres no action. Some times I'd love it if the mma ref would break up to wrestlers holding each other up against the cage. Fighters like Hatton and Tyson did some of there best work from the clinch. Also, if boxers like Tyson and Hatton had open grapplers gloves they would have some of the best "dirty boxing" ever seen. Tito is a dumb ass. If you put David Haye in the cage with Tito 10 times(with little to no TKD) the hayemaker would catch him once, twice, maybe even three times. Tito could take a time machine back to 1995 and train his entire life and never make it outta the first or second round with Haye. Fuck Tito, go coach highschool wrestling, thats what your good at.
     
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    Man I didnt like Tito before but now I just hate him even more. LOL.

    Everything he says is just so stupid. Dana is right.
     
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    Yeah, I JUST signed on. My bad for having a life.
     
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