Organizing S&C around my schedule

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Beast13

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Hello guys, I'm getting back into the game and wanted advice on fitting S&C into my schedule. Let me know what you think.

Monday: School 11:00-2:00pm, MMA 6:30-8:30pm

Tuesday: School 1:00-5:15pm, MMA 6:30-8:30pm

Wednesday: School 11:00-2:00pm, MMA 6:30-8:30pm

Thursday: School 1:00-5:15pm, MMA 6:30-8:30pm

Friday: School 11:00-1:00pm, MMA 5:30-7:30pm (May or may not go)

Saturday: MMA Open Mat 12:30-2:30pm (May or may not go)

Sunday: Free

Do you guys think I should go to the Friday or Saturday MMA training, both, or neither?

I am going to lift weights twice a week using the 5/3/1 2-day split (with calisthenics assistance) and going to be running (up to 45 mins) 3 times per week, where would be the best time to fit this in?

THANKS!
 
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You go to school 2-3 hours a day and can't figure out where to fit in your S&C sessions?
 
Sorry, I should have phrased that differently. I could figure out a couple of different ways to fit it in. I'm looking for advice from others on when they think would be the BEST time to fit it in.
 
One or two days after heavier sparring sessions, for which you want to be as fresh as possible.
 
Don't bother doing strength and conditioning training. Just lift for a couple days a week, you get all the conditioning you need from sparring\rolling. BTW if you are just starting out do not 'train MMA' stick to one discipline.
 
I'd do a Wednesday/Friday/Sunday split. Depends on how hard you're going at MMA every night. Might only need 2 days/week if you're going hard 2 hrs/night.
 
Yeah that whole "training MMA" thing isn't working out well for Jon Jones or Rory Mac. Avoid that at all costs. Specialize in BJJ or MT, for sure.
 
1) How long have you been doing your MMA training?
2) How long have you been doing 5/3/1 or other lifting?
3) How long have you been doing 45 minute runs?

It sounds like you have not been doing anything and want to get started in all 3. If this is the case, it sounds like you are trying to do too much too fast. What are your goals? If it is MMA, then my suggestion is to put in as much time as your body can handle developing the skills, then ad in extra conditioning work later.
 
I would suggest this:

Beast13 said:
Monday: Morning LSD Run School 11:00-2:00pm, MMA 6:30-8:30pm

Tuesday: Morning 5/3/1 School 1:00-5:15pm, MMA 6:30-8:30pm

Wednesday: Morning LSD Run School 11:00-2:00pm, MMA 6:30-8:30pm

Thursday: School 1:00-5:15pm, MMA 6:30-8:30pm

Friday: Morning LSD Run School 11:00-1:00pm, MMA 5:30-7:30pm (May or may not go)

Saturday: Morning 5/3/1 MMA Open Mat 12:30-2:30pm (May or may not go)

Sunday: Free
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LegioTitan said:
Yeah that whole "training MMA" thing isn't working out well for Jon Jones or Rory Mac. Avoid that at all costs. Specialize in BJJ or MT, for sure.
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Jones was a collegiate wrestler before turning to MMA, so he did train one discipline first.
 
I thought of that after I posted it and said to myself "mother fuck" too late to ninja edit. Oh well.

I'd rather someone come from a wrestling back ground than any other, personally. I still feel the blanket statement was silly though.
 
LegioTitan said:
I thought of that after I posted it and said to myself "mother fuck" too late to ninja edit. Oh well.

I'd rather someone come from a wrestling back ground than any other, personally. I still feel the blanket statement was silly though.
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I'm one of those who feel training and competing in one discipline is important before turning to MMA. I think it's much better to get experience competing with increasingly more difficult competition in a sport like wrestling before jumping in the cage. I'd rather have someone be humilated by a quick pin in wrestling than get knocked out in 30 seconds in an MMA match.

As for an adult who's never done combat sports, who has no real aspiration to compete, it wont make much difference. Though I'd still suggest something more like BJJ or Boxing so they can get some competition experience, without as much ill effects of competing in MMA without being fully prepared.
 
I can definitely see your point.

I suppose my thought is that I'd rather see someone train to compete in MMA under the guidance of specialists with equal training time divided among the disciplines with extra time being spent on whichever one that person showed a natural talent for.
Of course that's in a perfect world.

Failing that, I agree I'd rather someone become and expert from a young age under a good instructor of one art. For sure.

Well... that wasn't much of a disagreement.

You're ugly. :)
 
ThePitBull32 said:
1) How long have you been doing your MMA training?
2) How long have you been doing 5/3/1 or other lifting?
3) How long have you been doing 45 minute runs?

It sounds like you have not been doing anything and want to get started in all 3. If this is the case, it sounds like you are trying to do too much too fast. What are your goals? If it is MMA, then my suggestion is to put in as much time as your body can handle developing the skills, then ad in extra conditioning work later.
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I want to bring more attention to this post as I was going to say the same thing. A person needs to build up to training multiple times/day. Depending on the level that the TS is at he might want to start with only 3-4 days of training/week. Add another day every month or so and then start adding twice a days further down the line.
 
Just to re-iterate and expand on why if you are planning to compete in the cage you should start with one discipline and stick at in 3-4 times a week for two years.

This is a to build up a good understanding of what you are doing and what you can and cannot use in the cage, and to also get fight experience rather than jumping or falling headfirst into the cage after 6 month training at some bullsh** MMA school and getting tko'd inside 30 seconds.

It is also very important to train at a good school, and they are much easier to find in e.g. boxing, judo. It also gives you a chance to spar\roll with very high level competitors.
 
goldenera said:
Don't bother doing strength and conditioning training. Just lift for a couple days a week, you get all the conditioning you need from sparring\rolling. BTW if you are just starting out do not 'train MMA' stick to one discipline.
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In the beginning I think I'll benefit from just the sparring/rolling, but once I get acclimated again I would need more as the classes are most observing and drilling techniques and I know how to keep calm while sparring/rolling so I don't expand all of my energy. I put MMA there because I didn't want to type each class out, but the classes are 1hr in length of either kickboxing, wrestling, or JJ. Also, I used to train 2 years ago, for a couple of months, so I'm not totally new.

KnuckleSangwich said:
I'd do a Wednesday/Friday/Sunday split. Depends on how hard you're going at MMA every night. Might only need 2 days/week if you're going hard 2 hrs/night.
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I train hard, but I wouldn't say it's too cardio intensive.

ThePitBull32 said:
1) How long have you been doing your MMA training?
2) How long have you been doing 5/3/1 or other lifting?
3) How long have you been doing 45 minute runs?

It sounds like you have not been doing anything and want to get started in all 3. If this is the case, it sounds like you are trying to do too much too fast. What are your goals? If it is MMA, then my suggestion is to put in as much time as your body can handle developing the skills, then ad in extra conditioning work later.
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1. I have 3 months of MMA experience that I did 2 years ago. Starting up again.
2. I've been strength training for about 5 years on and off with the last year being consistent. I was a 5x5 guy (SL, Madcow) but moving to 5/3/1 as 5x5 will be too much and strength is no longer a priority for me.
3. Never. I have always hated running, but I want to get better at it. And it's a beginner program that gradually builds up intensity: http://www.besthealthmag.ca/get-healthy/fitness/the-ultimate-beginners-running-program

Right now my cardio is shit, so I think I will benefit from just the MMA classes. But maybe running from the beginning will increase my results faster?

TheeFaulted said:
I would suggest this
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That looks good. Should I do the Friday classes, or go to the open mat on Saturdays?
 
If it were me and I had to drop one, I'd likely drop Saturday over Friday, so I could focus on lifting more on Saturday.
 
Beast13 said:
In the beginning I think I'll benefit from just the sparring/rolling, but once I get acclimated again I would need more as the classes are most observing and drilling techniques and I know how to keep calm while sparring/rolling so I don't expand all of my energy. I put MMA there because I didn't want to type each class out, but the classes are 1hr in length of either kickboxing, wrestling, or JJ. Also, I used to train 2 years ago, for a couple of months, so I'm not totally new.
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For BJJ You should drill for 1 hour and the do 1 hour sparring anything else is a bullsh** school. The more advanced students unless they are really small should be able to tap you out in around 20 seconds without them even trying.

If you are going to a good school you will be exhausted by the end of a rolling\sparring class and will not need conditioning. Just stick to strength training.
 
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