Ordering some supplements and need advice

Discussion in 'Dieting / Supplement Discussion' started by xiiutao, Apr 26, 2008.

  1. xiiutao

    xiiutao Guest

    I have been working the rippetoe routine for about 2 months. I need to reorder some protein and want to add at least some creatine to my order. But here is a list of supplements i have been looking over. I want to get more serious in my weightlifting, and would like information, experience, or any suggestions about these products or any other products you can recommend me.

    I currently take 3g of EPA/DHA fish oil, a centrum multi-vitamin, and GNC veggie supplement , and ON 100% whey protein.

    Creatine-
    Optimum Creatine Powder, 2000 Grams
    Controlled Labs Green MAGnitude, 1.83 Lbs., Sour Green Apple

    NO-
    Controlled Labs White Flood, 1.34 Lbs., Electric Lemonade
    BSN NO-Xplode, 1.81 Lbs., Orange

    BCAA-
    Optimum BCAA 1000 Caps, 400 Capsules
    Controlled Labs Purple Wraath, 2.39 Lbs., Juicy Grape

    Test-
    Optimum Tribulus 625, 100 Capsules
    Anabolic Innovations Stoked, 120 Capsules
    Universal Tribulus Pro, 100 Capsules


    Multi-Vitamin-
    Optimum Opti-Men, 180 Tablets


    I know that supplements aren't the magic to weight training (its the work put in), but I want to get information about these products or any products that may be useful. Thanks in advance.
     
  2. JinKazama

    JinKazama Red Belt

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    looks like u have a good base

    no-xplode has always been good to me, u can get tolerant to it
     
  3. hitmanrva1

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    a good multi is a good change cause centrum wont do.....the best supplement ive ever used for bulking/strength is size on by gaspari...i used it intra-workout and easily gained 30-40 pounds on my bench max each cycle.....i also used something pre workout to help me get energy and focus....try finding a good one with creatine since size on already has a shitload.........as for test boosters, never had any good gains with any, and tribulus prob wont work..
     
  4. EddieH4444

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    I would not recommend White Flood, while it gave me good pumps and okay energy, it made me really irritable and made me feel really weird the rest of the day. I'd stick with NO-XPLODE, it's pretty awesome. Just don't take it after eating or you will shit in your pants.
     
  5. xiiutao

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    LOL, okay I'll keep that in mind thanks

    What do you mean pre workout energy and focus? Do you have anythign specific in mind?
     
  6. KUJO SP

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    The only stuff out there proven:
    Protein
    L-Glutamine
    Creatine
    *Multi-vitamin
    *Fish Oil
    The rest is a waist of money..
    Follow this
    Morning: Protein, L-Glutamine
    30 min prior to workout: Protein, Creatine
    Immediately afterward: Protein, Creatine
    30 min afterward: Glutamine (Don't take Creatine and Glutamine together, they use the same vehicle)
    Before Bed: Protein, Glutamine

    Don't get caught up in any fancy creatine, just monohydrate will due. All the extensive research you read about is always monohydrate the other stuff isn't proven and is basically unnecessary. During your 7 day loading phase drink a little juice 30 min after creatine intake to induce a sugar spike. If you weigh less than 200lbs take four 5g servings during the loading and one to two 5g during the maintenance.

    NO-xplode and vapor, yea I've used it and its just an energy booster, mostly from all the caffeine in xplode.
     
  7. MikeMartial

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    I'd like to see where this is "proven".
     
  8. KUJO SP

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    Good questing, Google it, there is a ton of information out there on actual independent studies. Mostly out of Europe cause it is a supplement commonly given to hospital patients.
     
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    If you're taking ultra mega greens (GNC greens pill) you don't need a multi.

    I agree with MikeMartial. You really don't need additional glutamine. A diet with 150g of complete protein a day has about 20-25g of glutamine. Even if glutamine is important, you get plenty of it already. If you feel like you need more, add more whey. 35g of whey has about 5g of glutamine.
     
  10. KUJO SP

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    Actually, during times of stress such as weight lifting and such your body does not maintain enough. But, I guess we can agree to disagree, if I had to eliminate one for money reasons it would surely be the L-glutamine peptide. Search the facts and decide for yourself, there is alot of subjective and objective material out there, you just got to sort through it.
     
  11. MikeMartial

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    Been there, done that. I was more curious as to what your response would be. It generally gives insight into how educated a poster is. Now I know.
     
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    Isn't L-Glutamine also good for your stomach/intestines or something like that?
     
  13. KUJO SP

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    Yes it has the ability to repair damage done by anti-inflammatory drugs.

    And smart ass MikeMartial it all depends on who you trust your information from, I could site Dr. Di Pasquale or Dr. Mark J. Tallon or say any number of studies done such as the Bowtell JL, Gelly K, Jackman ML study on "The Effect of oral glutamine on whole body carbohydrate storage during recovery from exhaustive exercise" but that doesn't mean a darn thing to you. What information do you have against their claims? Don't see you touting that info around, in all reality I could care less if you listen to me or not cause I do my homework and I am confident in my information for myself that's all and if I can help someone out I will. So you can be arrogant and just spout off bung or just dismiss what I bring, doesn't effect me.
     
  14. ronin0352

    ronin0352 Lift, Eat, Sleep, Repeat

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    Nice post, I was kind of curious what all the backlash was about, didn't realize you guys were so die hard against it. I'll review what I can from that post, I've seen alot, but its not the first time I've read articles dismissing glutamine. Remember all the ones against creatine? Still think creatine doesn't improve performance? Anyways, thanks for the info.
     
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    ronin0352 Lift, Eat, Sleep, Repeat

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    Well, I'm no expert, but from what I've seen, heard, & read creatine is the supplement with the most proof behind it. On the other hand it seems that while nobody disagrees that glutamine is necessary and beneficial, many studies have displayed that glutamine supplementation does not help. Most of the studies I've seen backing glutamine supplementation were done by companies selling it. I say this with quite a bit of regret also, as I've spend a lot of money on glutamine in the past. I'd love to think that it did some good, but after I stopped taking it I didn't notice a change. Now I'm actually taking it with my PWO shake just cause I've got a lot of it sitting there.
     
  17. KUJO SP

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    I can't go as far to say only companies that back it, but from what I've just breezed through there is alot more new data out there... I got alot to read and think about. Dang and I thought I had it narrowed down with all the crap that is pushed out there I thought nobody could mess with my standby Creatine, Protein, and Glutamine. Well, I guess knowledge is always advancing, thanks again.
     
  18. xiiutao

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    So, the greens pill from GNC is a multi as well, or just replaces the need for a multi?
     
  19. JinKazama

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    i totally agree with u on the size-on, i made the most gains with it,

    my creatine progression over the years was:

    cell-tech
    cell mass
    and finally onto size-on

    size-on blow the others out the water, for me anyways
     
  20. joshetc

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    I'm not against glutamine. I'm against additional isolated glutamine supplementation. Protein supplements have a LOT of glutamine in them already. If you really need more glutamine, you should be eating more protein. It is a waste of money to buy a seperate supplement when you can just take more of what you already have. Not only do you get glutamine with your protein, but you get a nice helping of BCAAs and EAAs.

    The uses of glutamine have been proven, the problem is that supplementation of isolated glutamine is a drop in the bucket compared to the glutamine we already get from our high protein diets. It is akin to a vegeterian that gets all their protein from fish also taking fish oil capsules. There is nothing more to gain, as their handful of servings of fish a day provide them with more EPA/DHA than even the biggest advocates of fish oil get.
     

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