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Elections Orange County Republicans Trying Hard To Debunk "Election Fraud" Myths, But It's An Uphill Battle.

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  1. Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    Republicans had enjoyed a sizable lead over Democrats in Orange County for decades thanks to their huge advantage with Mail-in Ballots, which was EXTREMELY popular with their older and more conservative voters up until 2020.

    Now thanks to the groundless conspiracy theories spread by the sore losers in their party, a large chunk of old Republicans in Orange County don't come to drop their VBM ballots off at the poll anymore because they afraid it will be "shredded", and they also don't want to stand in long lines to vote in person because the voting machines will be "rigged".

    Naturally, that means Orange County is steadily turning Purple, and it's because of this self-inflicted wound with the "election fraud" nonsense that the O.C GOP is now trying desperately to convince their electorate of something everyone with common sense already know after multiple audits: systemic election fraud simply do not exists in any shape or form in Orange County.

    As a long-time volunteer with the Orange County Registrar of Voters, this schadenfreude greatly amuses me, since we had to deal with hundreds of conspiracy theorists causing trouble at the voting polls in the last Recall election, who actually believe the Democrats actually had to "rig machines" and "shred ballots" for an imcumbant Democratic governor to win the Bluest state in the nation, against a bunch of absolute Nobodies.

    Welcome to a new day, folks. Would you like to continue being on the side of Evidence and Facts now, or switch back to Feelings and Misinformation? :cool:
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    Election fraud claims pose dilemma for Orange County GOP

    By Brooke Staggs | November 22, 2021

    Orange County and state GOP leaders spent an hour during a recent virtual “Election Integrity” roundtable talking up voting — debunking myths about voter fraud and encouraging local Republicans to take advantage of mail-in voting and to cast their ballots early in 2022.

    “We lose elections by self suppression,” Fred Whitaker, chair of the Republican Party of Orange County, told his virtual audience. “By believing that our vote doesn’t count, by believing that somehow the system is rigged, or just by believing we’re going to lose anyway, we don’t get out to vote.”

    But as soon as party leaders opened the discussion up to questions from the public, they heard from an upset GOP voter identified as Nick, who couldn’t believe what he was hearing. GOP leaders were promoting mail-in ballots that he insisted could just be thrown “in the shredder.”

    “I’m actually more pissed now than I was,” Nick said. “I kinda regret joining this meeting, because it doesn’t sound like we’re fighting tooth and nail.”

    The incident illustrates the tough corner the GOP has backed itself into, and the needle the party wants to thread as it tries to win in purple counties like Orange County.

    While there is zero evidence of widespread voter fraud that could have affected the outcome of the 2020 election, former President Donald Trump and many other top Republican figures continue to promote the false claim that the presidency was stolen due to flaws and corruption in the voting system.

    Any GOP leader who tries to counter that narrative risks drawing the ire of a significant faction of their voting base — or even Trump himself. But failure to counter it poses its own risk: that a segment of Republican voters simply will not participate in an election system they’ve been told not to trust.

    Local GOP officials are trying to split the difference, telling their voters to trust local elections (in which their party has performed fairly well) while still entertaining doubts about Trump’s loss.

    But interactions like the one between local GOP leader Whitaker and the GOP viewer named Nick suggest at least some local Republicans aren’t buying it.

    “They’re a victim of their own lies,” said Mike Madrid, a former political director for the California GOP who split with the party over Trump.

    “It’s going to hurt the Republican party. The question is how much?”

    Depressed turnout possible

    Less than a third (32%) of all Republicans and of others who supported Trump said they were confident that votes were counted accurately in 2020, according to a new poll from the Center for Election Innovation & Research, while only 38% said they have confidence that 2022 votes will be accurately tallied.

    And one out of every six Republican voters told surveyors they’re less likely to vote in the midterms unless “forensic audits” — which election security experts and even many GOP leaders deem unnecessary and problematic — are conducted across the country.

    “This poll confirms that the campaign to discredit elections has grievously injured Republican voter confidence,” said David Becker, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Election Innovation & Research.

    “The evidence suggests that election denial could have a long-term negative effect on turnout, particularly among Republicans and Trump voters.”

    It’s tough to estimate how many Republicans in Orange County might sit out the 2022 elections over distrust in the election system, according to Adam Probolsky, a veteran consultant out of Newport Beach.

    “I don’t really think it’s having some huge dampening effect on turnout. I think it’s some small number,” Probolsky said, noting local turnout hit a record high in 2020 and was strong again during the gubernatorial recall in September.

    “But that could still sway things,” he added.

    If just 5% of registered GOP voters stay home next year, that’s more than 30,000 people — larger than the margin that decided nearly every state and federal win in Orange County in 2020. Even if it’s just a half a percent, that’s more than 3,000 people — enough to tip many local elections, where city council races often are decided by fewer than 1,000 votes.

    Counteracting the narrative

    Whitaker and other local GOP leaders clearly recognize the problem, with multiple meetings lately focused on election integrity.

    During the Oct. 26 roundtable, Whitaker said he would like to see tighter rules around things like voter ID, voter roll cleanup and ballot harvesting. In the meantime, he said Republicans are doing their “own form of ballot harvesting,” while GOP attorney Harmeet Dhillon said “aggressive” ballot harvesting was key to Republicans securing victories last year for Rep. Mike Garcia, R-Santa Clarita.

    But Whitaker debunked claims about a spike in turnout indicating something malicious at play, or that routine typos or computer glitches are signs of widespread fraud.

    Panelist Garret Fahy, an Irvine-based attorney who serves as the Orange County chair of the Republican National Lawyers Association, explained that big claims about issues with voting machines also have been debunked. And he said he has no concerns about the voting technology in use in Orange County.

    “We should not be psyching ourselves out and causing our own voter suppression like we did with the well-meaning efforts of election integrity activists,” Dhillon said.

    Fahy praised the security of local elections and said he would not like to see an Arizona-style forensic audit in California because that involves handing ballots over to a private entity. Fahy said he wouldn’t want Democrats to be able to hand ballots over to a private auditor “and neither would you.”

    Instead, Fahy said local Republicans should focus on voting “early by voting by mail.”

    Party disconnect

    “I feel a little bit bad for the party leadership because they have to deal with the crazies that are pushing back on this,” said Probolsky, who was a GOP activist for three decades until he left the party during the Trump years and now is registered as No Party Preference.

    “They know for a fact that absentee ballots and vote by mail is the great advantage Republicans had over the last 30 years. And in a matter of weeks their own president undid all of that.”

    When he was working as a GOP consultant, Madrid said the party spent millions of dollars over 20 years trying to get Republicans to vote by mail because they saw that it worked.

    “There was never an issue raised for two decades until Trump refused to admit he lost.”

    For years in Orange County, Republicans tended to vote early by mail in larger numbers than Democrats did. That put them at an advantage in initial vote counts, and it meant they didn’t have to overcome the barrier of getting people to show up to polls and wait in line to vote.


    But after Trump cast doubts on the mail voting system, the patterns flipped. Starting in the 2020 elections, and even more so in the governor recall race in September, Democrats mailed their ballots in early while a segment of Republicans voted in person on Election Day. That means those Republicans now face long lines, which could discourage participation.

    “That’s the Pandora’s box they opened,” said Graeme Boushey, a political science professor at UC Irvine. “Older, more affluent voters, who are more common in Orange County, are more likely to participate by mail. But then Republicans aggressively delegitimized the form of participation that was an advantage to their constituents.”

    Now Madrid said they’re going to have to spend lots of time and money trying to unwind that narrative — time and money that they could have spent supporting candidates in the midterm elections.

    It doesn’t help from a voter confidence perspective that Orange County Registrar Neal Kelley, a Republican who is widely respected on both sides of the aisle, is retiring before the 2022 primaries.

    Still, there’s a larger national dynamic at play that might help Republicans overcome these issues in 2022, Madrid said, with the minority party typically performing better during midterms and issues like inflation potentially posing serious problems for Democrats.

    But Probolsky said he doesn’t see the problem created by Republican distrust in the election system going away anytime soon, since it’s impossible to prove a negative, while Trump is still promoting false conspiracy theories.

    “You’ve got to somehow overcome that national narrative. And there’s just no way of doing that.”

    https://www.ocregister.com/2021/11/22/election-fraud-claims-pose-dilemma-for-orange-county-gop/amp/
     
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  2. Scerpi Silver Belt

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    Big picture? Mail In ballots are inherently not secure.

    Sorry Orange County... But mail in ballots should be reserved for people unable to vote in person.

    - Military
    - Maybe Health Issues

    That's about all I can think of.

    We need to know that our elections are secure and not make it easier for voter fraud.. Which happens on both sides.
     
  3. andnowweknow I heard Trump lost

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    We do know our elections are secure. We know this because there is zero evidence they are not. That's how this works, fantasy doesn't count.
     
  4. Scerpi Silver Belt

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  5. andnowweknow I heard Trump lost

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    I agree with all this.

    We lost all the seats when we allowed Mail In Ballots (with Late Night Vote Harvesting Returns) the first time... the Republicans in California are a near worthless organization. If we could get the Democrats to give up Mail In Ballots unless the conditions you cited are met, it would be great.

    My CEO is on the Republican Central Committee. I am the Exec. VP of my company. I have went to two of their events to check it out... admittedly one was just to see Larry Elder speak. I've been a fan for 30 years. He is an amazing speaker and it was worth it. The other was to see the in fighting and it was pathetic. Many of them worry more about personal power over doing what is right. I suppose the type of person that is attracted to politics thinks this way regardless of party. When I spoke up, they had no clue who I was, which was great. My hot wife cracked up as I told them that until they addressed the Hispanics better, let the Asians know that they would not get steam rolled by the Democrats, and continue to fight for reduced spending, taxation, and to protect property rights... they will remain the minority party indefinitely. One guy got rude... "and you are?"

    My response was, "I am the guy that will vote for an Independent instead of any of you if changes are not made... and there are millions more just like me." Surprisingly, half of them shook their heads knowing they need to change their ways. But, it was only half.... so they are fooked!

    I have been asked if I would consider an offer to be an "alternate" in my area for the Central Committee. I told them that I've been a registered Libertarian for so very long that it would not be appropriate. I was informed that I could change parties. lol.... I let them know I'll be watching and keep that in mind. It is far more likely that I will move to the Florida Pan Handle Beaches before I ever serve the Republican Party in California.
     
  7. chardog That's President Donald Trump

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    mail in voting is complete bullshit

    might as well have online voting hosted by reddit at this point
     
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  8. Amerikuracana Life allows the illusion of relativity Banned

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    You show up, show id, vote.
     
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  9. idrankyourbeer Brown Belt

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    ahahahahaha

    now the theyre fucking their own voter turnout just because of one mans lies and his shatterred ego. and you know cheeto benito's finest bootlickers will keep on spewing their election fraud fantasies that will never ever be proven in any court of the land for as long as you live, all just to keep that one man appeased, just in case he might not run for office again and you need his endorsement.

    this is beautiful. if youre not a conservative. keep it up fellas. let your wannabe dictator sink your entire ship.

    the radical left is trying to take away our democracy. you all be sure to do your part to stand up against the radical lefts tyranny by not going out to vote.
     
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  10. Topguntrophey Brown Belt

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    Lots of folks upset with mail in ballots assuming the worst but haven't shown it. Feelings versus facts.

    Kind of like being upset with Kyle R. Lots of feelings but not much facts/law being looked at to make a logical reaction.
     
  11. BIKES! So then I said... Platinum Member

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  12. Scerpi Silver Belt

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  13. andnowweknow I heard Trump lost

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    Believing there is election fraud in the face of no evidence makes you stupid. I'm not out on some limb for making fun of you. You're dumb...we're still cool.
     
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  14. Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    Totally called it, didn't I? :D

    I think this is the moment when the same partisan folks who have spent weeks in the Rittenhouse threads defending the importance of Facts and Evidence over Feelings and Misinformation from Social Media switches back to their default position, and vise versa. <Lmaoo>

    This is the exact reason why the O.C GOP is fighting an uphill battle against themselves, one that they will probably lose. How can you possibly win if you are your own enemy? :confused:

    I feel kinda bad for the moderate Republicans in Southern California, actually. They often make a lot more sense than the batshit-crazy Leftists in NorCal or the loony Rightwingers in Florida. Unfortunately, they are continuously fucked over by the extremists in their own party, something that the moderate Dems can certainly sympathizes.
     
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  15. Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    Did you even read the OP? That's not the uphill battle the O.C GOP is facing.

    Their major concern here is a bunch of registered Republicans in Orange County gonna stay home rather than vote in those super-tight State and Local races, because some idiots from a thousand miles away managed to convinced their voters that "their votes wouldn't be counted anyway", not when "VBM paper ballots gonna be shredded" and "all the voting machines are rigged"!

    Less than a third (32%) of all Republicans and of others who supported Trump said they were confident that votes were counted accurately in 2020, according to a new poll from the Center for Election Innovation & Research, while only 38% said they have confidence that 2022 votes will be accurately tallied.

    If just 5% of registered GOP voters stay home next year, that’s more than 30,000 people — larger than the margin that decided nearly every state and federal win in Orange County in 2020. Even if it’s just a half a percent, that’s more than 3,000 people — enough to tip many local elections, where city council races often are decided by fewer than 1,000 votes.

    If their attempt to debunk their own party's "election frauds" misinformation fails and Orange County turn even more purple in the next Mid-term election, it's going to be entirely a problem of the GOP's own creation.
     
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  16. LangfordBarrow StickAndMove Platinum Member

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    What's funny is all the millions spent to find fraud that only turned up more votes for Biden. <{ByeHomer}>
     
  17. SBJJ Steel Belt

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    I actually live in the OC. People hate both sides here. "Conservatives" are not happy with their own party.

    Add in the fact that here in CA....EVERYONE recieved a mail in ballot last election, and of course the GOP will not do as well.

    Just wait til 2022 though. The OC absolutely fucking hates what is happening in this country currently. I've never seen people here this angry.
     
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  18. jk7707 Silver Belt

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    Looks like this triggered the "muh fraud" morons that still have the lack of self awareness to keep embarrassing themselves in these threads.

    Hey idiots, these articles are talking about YOU!
     
  19. andnowweknow I heard Trump lost

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    You realize the fault in anecdotes like this, right? Boat parade sizes didn't matter.
     
  20. rearnakedchoke Suck it!

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    Republicans need the voter fraud theory to hang around. It gives them an excuse when they lose.
     
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