Opinion Opposing section 8 housing is racist?

[superpunch]

And what about proper sewage, electrical, gas, water supply? Their building codes are different, safety is of no concern.

I'm talking about places like Tokyo and Seoul. The infrastructure is better there than in America.

The median studio in San Francisco is $3,800. Look at what this guy went through trying to put up a building that would take 3 weeks to put up in Seoul:

San Francisco Delays Building 4 Years in the Making Because New Apartments Will Cast Shadows?!
The owner of a "historic" laundromat (lol) has been thwarted at every turn in his bid to build apartments in a city in the midst of a housing crisis.

When Reason last spoke with Robert Tillman in February, the city of San Francisco was demanding that he study the historical significance of his coin-operated laundry before he be allowed to demolish it and put up a 75-unit, mixed-use housing development.

Tillman consented, paying $23,000 for a 135-page report which determined, several months later, that his property was not in fact a historic resource. In a sane world Tillman would be allowed to proceed with his project. In San Francisco, he is now being asked to perform yet another study, this time to measure the effect of shadow on a nearby school.
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Two shadow studies have already been conducted, finding that Tillman's project, if built, would cast shadow on a quarter of the playground of the nearby Zaida T. Rodriguez school for two hours a day.
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Two shadow studies have already been conducted, finding that Tillman's project, if built, would cast shadow on a quarter of the playground of the nearby Zaida T. Rodriguez school for two hours a day.
https://reason.com/2018/06/27/developer-of-historic-laundromat-in-san/

The guy spent 5 years and over $1 million trying to get a small affordable apartment building approved. He ended up just giving up and selling the 'historical laundromat'. It's like that to a lesser degree all over California and everywhere else rent is sky high in America and Canada.

 

[MMABrooklyn]

Black people of that period would still have mostly been poor. White people were still mostly poor during that period. The wealthy folks in the South were the small few with a lot of land. Noone ever became wealthy through subsistence farming or farming someone else's land as a share cropper or tenant farmer.

Where black people missed out the most on wealth building was in the first half of the twentieth century. They had less job opportunities. It wasn't until World War II that they started having access to good jobs and it was a battle to keep them after the war was over. Black folks today don't really have the same barriers as the did in the first half of the twentieth century. A black person today can easily escape poverty if they learn some type of skilled trade. I'm not saying their wealth will be equal to families who have been middle class for several generations, but escaping poverty is very doable.

As far as explaining the bold, black people are working lower skilled jobs that pay less and they are saving less total earnings. They need to work higher skilled jobs. They should be learning trades. Whether it is blue collar or white collar they should be learning skills that would allow them to earn more money. Then they will be able to save properly. Right now they are still doing a poor job of saving because their income is so low.

Do you think Black people to day appeared from a vacuum, or are Black people today, the children and grandchildren, or are the actual children/young adults of yesteryear?

Of course more higher paying jobs will be great, white high school dropouts still have more wealth than Black College Grads.

 

[Jkillah]

Do you think Black people to day appeared from a vacuum, or are Black people today, the children and grandchildren, or are the actual children/young adults of yesteryear?

Of course more higher paying jobs will be great, white high school dropouts still have more wealth than Black College Grads.

Black people don't have the kinds of barriers to jobs that you say they do. Employers care about who will make them money. A black person that is skilled in something useful will be able to find a job if they are in area with jobs that pertain to their skills. If they have a degree in woke studies they probably won't be able to find a job, but if they have a degree in something useful or they learn a trade they will be able to find work if that kind of work is in their area. Employer's don't pay their black employees less than their white employees if they are doing the same job and have the same level of skill/experience.

 

[rezzz]

Section 8, food stamps, low-income housing, or any other forms of government cheese needs to be cut.

 

[The ScorpioN]

Do you think Black people to day appeared from a vacuum, or are Black people today, the children and grandchildren, or are the actual children/young adults of yesteryear?

Of course more higher paying jobs will be great, white high school dropouts still have more wealth than Black College Grads.

College grads in what?

 

[Deleted member 159002]

Black people don't have the kinds of barriers to jobs that you say they do. Employers care about who will make them money.

Case in point the millions of jobs that have been outsourced to China and other countries where whites are a sliver of the countries' population.

 

[bjjHERRERA]

Owning a home is the reward for those that worked to own one.

It is neither a privilege or a right.
It's simply the product of hard work.

have 4 different friends who were given homes by their family members, but yeah, hard work.

 

[Pullmyfinger]

have 4 different friends who were given homes by their family members, but yeah, hard work.

Somebody in those families worked for it.

That's the idea you know.
I'll work hard so my kids won't have to work as hard.

Hopefully one generation gives something to the next one so they can build upon that.

It doesn't always work out that way of course.
But we should do what we can.

 

[bjjHERRERA]

Somebody in those families worked for it.

That's the idea you know.
I'll work hard so my kids won't have to work as hard.

Hopefully one generation gives something to the next one so they can build upon that.

It doesn't always work out that way of course.
But we should do what we can.

was just responding to a blanket statement that a home is a product of hard work, which isnt always the case is all. some win lotteries, some get gifts/inheritances. some just get lucky, too. my ex paid off her home with fraudulent disability payments (free money). its not all hard work is all i was pointing out.

 

[kenetics]

Owning a home is a privilege, not a right.

Yup, a certain group of people kept blacks out of those neighborhoods during the Jim crow era and redline.

 

[Broke Lester]

I'm talking about places like Tokyo and Seoul. The infrastructure is better there than in America.

The median studio in San Francisco is $3,800. Look at what this guy went through trying to put up a building that would take 3 weeks to put up in Seoul:

San Francisco Delays Building 4 Years in the Making Because New Apartments Will Cast Shadows?!
The owner of a "historic" laundromat (lol) has been thwarted at every turn in his bid to build apartments in a city in the midst of a housing crisis.

When Reason last spoke with Robert Tillman in February, the city of San Francisco was demanding that he study the historical significance of his coin-operated laundry before he be allowed to demolish it and put up a 75-unit, mixed-use housing development.

Tillman consented, paying $23,000 for a 135-page report which determined, several months later, that his property was not in fact a historic resource. In a sane world Tillman would be allowed to proceed with his project. In San Francisco, he is now being asked to perform yet another study, this time to measure the effect of shadow on a nearby school.
...
Two shadow studies have already been conducted, finding that Tillman's project, if built, would cast shadow on a quarter of the playground of the nearby Zaida T. Rodriguez school for two hours a day.
..
Two shadow studies have already been conducted, finding that Tillman's project, if built, would cast shadow on a quarter of the playground of the nearby Zaida T. Rodriguez school for two hours a day.
https://reason.com/2018/06/27/developer-of-historic-laundromat-in-san/

The guy spent 5 years and over $1 million trying to get a small affordable apartment building approved. He ended up just giving up and selling the 'historical laundromat'. It's like that to a lesser degree all over California and everywhere else rent is sky high in America and Canada.

Wow, that is fucked up

 

[My Spot]

Yup, a certain group of people kept blacks out of those neighborhoods during the Jim crow era and redline.

 

[kenetics]

Is this how you feel about the protest of angry people? Now it's a problem when they start destroying things ,smh

 

[My Spot]

Is this how you feel about the protest of angry people? Now it's a problem when they start destroying things ,smh

 

[MMABrooklyn]

College grads in what?

Here we go, you claiming it's majors dependent? The same majors as white college grads.

 

[MMABrooklyn]

Black people don't have the kinds of barriers to jobs that you say they do. Employers care about who will make them money. A black person that is skilled in something useful will be able to find a job if they are in area with jobs that pertain to their skills. If they have a degree in woke studies they probably won't be able to find a job, but if they have a degree in something useful or they learn a trade they will be able to find work if that kind of work is in their area. Employer's don't pay their black employees less than their white employees if they are doing the same job and have the same level of skill/experience.

Black Workers Still Earn Less than Their White Counterparts

"Last year, PayScale analyzed differences in earnings between white men and men of color using data from a sample of 1.8 million employees surveyed between January 2017 and February 2019.

Among the findings, Gruver reported: "Even as black or African-American men climb the corporate ladder, they still make less than equally qualified white men. They are the only racial/ethnic group that does not achieve pay parity with white men at some level."

https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandto...al-wage-gaps-persistence-poses-challenge.aspx

 

[rpn453]

Black Workers Still Earn Less than Their White Counterparts

"Last year, PayScale analyzed differences in earnings between white men and men of color using data from a sample of 1.8 million employees surveyed between January 2017 and February 2019.

Among the findings, Gruver reported: "Even as black or African-American men climb the corporate ladder, they still make less than equally qualified white men. They are the only racial/ethnic group that does not achieve pay parity with white men at some level."

https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandto...al-wage-gaps-persistence-poses-challenge.aspx

Are they equally qualified though? It's harder to say when it comes to management positions where it is difficult to directly compare the work. Between two employees at the same corporate management level, the one who is capable of negotiating for better pay probably is a more valuable employee.

It's possible that some are hired for diversity reasons, despite poor negotiating skills. It's also possible that some do have fewer opportunities due to systemic racism, so they're stuck with fewer options and little leverage for negotiation.

I'm in Canada, so I'm sure things are different here. But from what I've seen as a mechanical engineer, all the big companies make it a priority to hire as many non-white-male employees as possible.

 

[Jkillah]

Black Workers Still Earn Less than Their White Counterparts

"Last year, PayScale analyzed differences in earnings between white men and men of color using data from a sample of 1.8 million employees surveyed between January 2017 and February 2019.

Among the findings, Gruver reported: "Even as black or African-American men climb the corporate ladder, they still make less than equally qualified white men. They are the only racial/ethnic group that does not achieve pay parity with white men at some level."

https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandto...al-wage-gaps-persistence-poses-challenge.aspx

As the person above mentioned, are they really equally qualified when measuring all of the deciding variables? Are they getting the same degrees from the same universities, having the same amount of work experience, same job performance etc... All of that matters when you get into top level positions.

Do you think there is a great abundance of highly skilled black employees working menial jobs while all of the other races just coast? Employers care about who will earn them the most money.

 

[MMABrooklyn]

Are they equally qualified though? It's harder to say when it comes to management positions where it is difficult to directly compare the work. Between two employees at the same corporate management level, the one who is capable of negotiating for better pay probably is a more valuable employee.

It's possible that some are hired for diversity reasons, despite poor negotiating skills. It's also possible that some do have fewer opportunities due to systemic racism, so they're stuck with fewer options and little leverage for negotiation.

I'm in Canada, so I'm sure things are different here. But from what I've seen as a mechanical engineer, all the big companies make it a priority to hire as many non-white-male employees as possible.

Yea, Canada isn't the U.S.


"Even as black or African-American men climb the corporate ladder, they still make less than equally qualified white men."

 

[MMABrooklyn]

As the person above mentioned, are they really equally qualified when measuring all of the deciding variables? Are they getting the same degrees from the same universities, having the same amount of work experience, same job performance etc... All of that matters when you get into top level positions.

Do you think there is a great abundance of highly skilled black employees working menial jobs while all of the other races just coast? Employers care about who will earn them the most money.

White high school dropouts have more wealth than Black College Grads. Is this graph and the numbers false?