Operation Choke Point targeting Gun Dealers

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Targeted? Gun sellers say
 
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Is it just online gun dealers or a range of high fraud potential clients that banks are cutting off?
 
Cubo de Sangre said:
High risk for what?
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Redacted.

Credit card fraud seems to be the issue. Still wouldn't be surprised to see vendors denied online sales due to age verification or lack thereof.
 
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Cubo de Sangre said:
High risk for what?
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From the article it sounds like high risk of credit card fraud, which makes sense when you think about what criminals would like to buy (guns) and how it would be easiest to buy them fraudulently (internet). It would actually be a pretty good way to launder money since guns have such high value on the secondary market.
 
From last year,

Mayor Rahm Emanuel is taking his gun control push to private banks and asking major lenders in Chicago to stop doing business with firearms manufacturers.
In a letter to TD Bank and Bank of America on Thursday, Mr. Emanuel asked the CEOs to force gun manufacturers they do business with to
 
Uchi Mata said:
From the article it sounds like high risk of credit card fraud, which makes sense when you think about what criminals would like to buy (guns) and how it would be easiest to buy them fraudulently (internet). It would actually be a pretty good way to launder money since guns have such high value on the secondary market.
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you have no idea what you're talking about


go buy a gun from a online gun store and tell me how easy it is to fraud the system
 
Do you understand how buying a firearm online works? The company you buy it from has to have an FFL (federal firearms license). At the time of sale they document/log who the buyer is. It then has to be shipped to another FFL that is local to the buyer. They document/log that they received the firearm and then the buyer has to pass an NICS check.

At what point in that process is it easy for a criminal to purchase a firearm fraudulently?

Uchi Mata said:
From the article it sounds like high risk of credit card fraud, which makes sense when you think about what criminals would like to buy (guns) and how it would be easiest to buy them fraudulently (internet). It would actually be a pretty good way to launder money since guns have such high value on the secondary market.
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Gref said:
Credit card fraud seems to be the issue. Still wouldn't be surprised to see vendors denied online sales due to age verification or lack thereof.
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Ok, but that makes very little sense to me based on what I know about conducting credit card/paypal transactions on both sides of the sale.

Uchi Mata said:
From the article it sounds like high risk of credit card fraud, which makes sense when you think about what criminals would like to buy (guns) and how it would be easiest to buy them fraudulently (internet). It would actually be a pretty good way to launder money since guns have such high value on the secondary market.
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It would make sense if there weren't background checks or laws against firearm shipping that prohibit credit card mail order sale from taking place in the typical fashion. Typically you buy something online and it ships to any address you specify. If you buy a gun online it goes one of two ways. If it's a dealer you need to have the gun shipped to an ffl (federally licensed dealer) who conducts a background check (or verifies your permit to acquire, depending on the jurisdiction). If it's a private sale then the parties involved would need to meet in person because you can't ship a gun to someone else who isn't a dealer.

Maybe there's a higher incidence of fraud when it comes to parts and accessories. I just don't see how fraudulent charges with credit cards for actual firearms could be more high risk than your average luxury item.
 
The Independent Community Bankers of America, an association for small banks, said enforcement actions from the Justice Department are too broad and overly aggressive.

 
Maybe when "they" start talking about risk, fraud, and banks "they" should take a look at themselves. Repealing the Glass-Steagall Act increased "risk" exponentially compared to online firearm or ammunition sales.

This is 100% agenda at work.
 
Stoic1 said:
Maybe when "they" start talking about risk, fraud, and banks "they" should take a look at themselves. Repealing the Glass-Steagall Act increased "risk" exponentially compared to online firearm or ammunition sales.

This is 100% agenda at work.
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Yeah. How'd that LIBOR-fixing scandal play out?
 
government has made compliance so difficult banks have simply said fuck it not bothering with these customers.

I don't see it as exclusively a gun related issue though.
 
Uchi Mata said:
From the article it sounds like high risk of credit card fraud, which makes sense when you think about what criminals would like to buy (guns) and how it would be easiest to buy them fraudulently (internet). It would actually be a pretty good way to launder money since guns have such high value on the secondary market.
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do you know how someone could purchase a firearm on the internet from a dealer?

here are the steps incase you're not familiar

1. go to an online gun dealers website to shop for and buy the firearm you want. through the purchase process BY LAW you're only allowed to ship the gun to one of your local FFL dealers.

2. after that online gun dealer ships it to a Federal Firearms Licensed Dealer in your area, they have the legal possession of the gun even though you've already made payment for the gun. You then do paperwork and a background check that gets called into the FBI.

3. once your background check comes back clear then you pay the FFL dealer what's called a "transfer fee" which is usually 25-30 dollars then you can get your gun.


I just dont want people to think that you can go to some store online and click buy gun and it ships to your door. thats not how it works and thats not legal.

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ruthless robert said:
I just dont want people to think that you can go to some store online and click buy gun and it ships to your door. thats not how it works and thats not legal.

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There are several places on the internet that offers services like that. There isn't much demand though.
 
People actually think you can buy guns online and have it delivered straight to your house without a background check.
 
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