Open USADA discussion.

[BRASIL WAND]

This. They made Bones fight a guy with higher test than Bane.

They also let Bones fight with questionable t/e levels.


They also kept his coke test under wraps until post fight.

 

[Wizzlebiz]

Why would they hire USADA and then cover up results??

Wouldn't they just get rid of the random testing period?

So weird....

Ufc cant back out now. Lmao. Wanna take the sport to WWE perception? Then back out of the ped testing they were so fucking hardcore about.

My god people just dont fucking think.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

Why would they hire USADA and then cover up results??

Wouldn't they just get rid of the random testing period?

So weird....

It's a great point right, a little backwards?

My only thing is this:

MMA is a dirty sport. I say to people all the time "Hey, I watch MMA" and the response is 9/10 "What is MMA?".

To get my point across I normally have to drop down to layman's terms and say "Ermmm, like cage fighting", then all of a sudden they understand me.

Just the term "cage fighting" sounds barbaric and that's a general consensus for many.

I say all of that, to say this. UFC are playing catch-up, they have to look as squeaky clean and legitimate as possible to continue the TV, sponsorship, coverage deals, that they have in place. Daley punches someone after the bell, he's gone forever, because they have to make that extra effort. They are essentially trying to fit in!

So seeing steroid allegations and such creeping up as a possible hindrance or roadblock to their path into mainstream acceptance, it makes sense to embrace USADA, you end up looking like saints.

Only problem is, it sounds good on paper. "Oh hey, we'll clean up the sport!"

But then, what happens when reality kicks in and your legends and icons get caught on juice? Belfort, Overeem, Anderson, Lyoto, Cro Cop, Mir? All of a sudden, it's hurting business!

Imagine if Conor or Nate failed for PEDs and were pulled a week out from UFC 200, you don't think they'd love a way to cover that up? They wouldn't want to, but if they could, why not turn a blind eye?

I honestly have no idea what the UFC and USADA's relationship is like, but my understanding is that the UFC pay USADA for their services.

So I wonder what that means? If USADA do their part and say "hey UFC, we caught someone" do they even have the right to release that info without the UFC's grace? Is it USADA that even hands out the ban, or do they tell the UFC, who tell the commission, who then issues the ban?

Interesting stuff...

 

[JohnyBrabo]

They also let Bones fight with questionable t/e levels.


They also kept his coke test under wraps until post fight.

Hardly the same. He was never supposed to be tested for Coke in the first place. BTW I'm not a Jones fan lol.

 

[Thepaintbucket]

I don't know man; I think the type of drug is more important than anything else.

Frank Mir was caught with freaking Tbol.
Anderson Silva was caught with Androstane .
Chael was caught with EPO and HGH and some other drugs.

Lyoto was caught with DHEA, lol....

 

[BRASIL WAND]

This just in: Caffeine levels will now be monitored aswell.



Say goodbye to Monster Energy Drink sponsors.

 

[AmazingGebi]

It's a great point right, a little backwards?

My only thing is this:

MMA is a dirty sport. I say to people all the time "Hey, I watch MMA" and the response is 9/10 "What is MMA?".

To get my point across I normally have to drop down to layman's terms and say "Ermmm, like cage fighting", then all of a sudden they understand me.

Just the term "cage fighting" sounds barbaric and that's a general consensus for many.

I say all of that, to say this. UFC are playing catch-up, they have to look as squeaky clean and legitimate as possible to continue the TV, sponsorship, coverage deals, that they have in place. Daley punches someone after the bell, he's gone forever, because they have to make that extra effort. They are essentially trying to fit in!

So seeing steroid allegations and such creeping up as a possible hindrance or roadblock to their path into mainstream acceptance, it makes sense to embrace USADA, you end up looking like saints.

Only problem is, it sounds good on paper. "Oh hey, we'll clean up the sport!"

But then, what happens when reality kicks in and your legends and icons get caught on juice? Belfort, Overeem, Anderson, Lyoto, Cro Cop, Mir? All of a sudden, it's hurting business!

Imagine if Conor or Nate failed for PEDs and were pulled a week out from UFC 200, you don't think they'd love a way to cover that up? They wouldn't want to, but if they could, why not turn a blind eye?

I honestly have no idea what the UFC and USADA's relationship is like, but my understanding is that the UFC pay USADA for their services. So I wonder what that means? If USADA do their part and say "hey UFC, we caught someone" do they even have the right to release that info without the UFC's grace? Is it USADA that even hands out the ban, or do they tell the UFC, who tell the commission, who then issues the ban?

Interesting stuff...

UFC issues the press releases... so that doesn't make sense...

If their goal was to truly clean things up, they would keep quiet as much as possible and start educating..

I'm telling you man,,,, this is some personal shit inside the company... Not against personal fighters, but "cheaters" in general...

Someone didn't make the high school football team...

 

[King of Fists]

If it's on the banned list it's on the banned list, it's as simple as that. Knowing what you are allowed to put in your body is part of your job as a professional athlete.

I guess, but ask anyone who has ever taken dhea, it doesn't do shit. It's retarded that it's illegal. Yes, I suppose it's Machida's "duty" to make sure he reads all the labels when he goes to GNC but it's retarded of the USADA to ban commonly available otc supplements in the first place.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

Just like you, I'm willing to accept great fights getting called off for the sake of sport's integrity. "Oh, but hey, don't be naïve, everyone's on steroids". That may be true. But USADA might be the first step to make it stop.

So yeah, I'm glad to see that it seems to be working. As for a big draw getting caught, it's really hard to tell. I don't doubt the UFC would be willing to cover it up, but I'm not sure about how far they would go to make it work.

Great thread.

Thanks mate, and great points again.

 

[JohnyBrabo]

USADA's newest banned substance

 

[BRASIL WAND]

Hardly the same. He was never supposed to be tested for Coke in the first place. BTW I'm not a Jones fan lol.

Lol not saying you are.


Either was just saying his t/e level incident was practically swept under the rug.

 

[Arm Barbarian]

I guess, but ask anyone who has ever taken dhea, it doesn't do shit. It's retarded that it's illegal. Yes, I suppose it's Machida's "duty" to make sure he reads all the labels when he goes to GNC but it's retarded of the USADA to ban commonly available otc supplements in the first place.

Yep, I used that shit WAY back, and I can attest, it does fuck-all for any type of performance enhancement.

 

[zephid]

I guess, but ask anyone who has ever taken dhea, it doesn't do shit. It's retarded that it's illegal. Yes, I suppose it's Machida's "duty" to make sure he reads all the labels when he goes to GNC but it's retarded of the USADA to ban commonly available otc supplements in the first place.

Sure, but it doesn't matter if you think it's stupid or not, or that it doesn't do anything, it is still banned. People are free to lobby for it's removal from the banned list, but as long as it's on there they shouldn't use it.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

I won't believe there are no cover up situations until a high profile fighter as you mentioned get's popped.

Surely one damn champion is on juice, you'd think, right?

They are the top of the division, so much so that they are a champion. Using simple common sense, some of the best must be on stuff that makes you better. It cannot just be a bunch of mid-level guys taking stuff to make them better, but they never make it to the top. Sounds far-fetched to me.

Like when was the last time a champion or number one contender got popped for juice?

You could say Romero, but the guy is hardly a draw, money maker or in his prime years. He is expendable.

 

[King of Fists]

Yep, I used that shit WAY back, and I can attest, it does fuck-all for any type of performance enhancement.

Seriously man, I remember being a naive 23 yr wasting money on that and those "glutamine peptide precursor growth hormone stimulants" stuff that did fuck all as well. 1-AD on the other hand, that stuff was legit AF.

 

[AmazingGebi]

I guess, but ask anyone who has ever taken dhea, it doesn't do shit. It's retarded that it's illegal. Yes, I suppose it's Machida's "duty" to make sure he reads all the labels when he goes to GNC but it's retarded of the USADA to ban commonly available otc supplements in the first place.

They should really explain each item and why it is banned...

The list is stupid long...

 

[JohnyBrabo]

Lol not saying you are.


Either was just saying his t/e level incident was practically swept under the rug.

While certainly suspect, a T/E ratio is not always indicative of doping. Things like strenuous exercise and activity can alter a T/E ratio. Vitor's actual TEST levels were off the charts.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Im happy more fighters are being caught, it means the clean fighters will rise to the top and the cheaters will be exposed. Good on USADA

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

Machida isn't high profile?

Not high profile enough to affect real big money situations.

He's riding a 2 loss streak, being finished both times, late 30's, nowhere near a title or a super fight. He is expendable.

Now imagine Conor got popped, and that came out, I'd never believe in a "cover up" again. We need a champion or someone in their prime to get popped to really show us that the UFC is being honest 100% of the time, and the USADA relationship is 100% above board at all times.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

This just in: Caffeine levels will now be monitored aswell.



Say goodbye to Monster Energy Drink sponsors.

caffiene levels have always been tested for prior to fights