One year ago, Nice massacre

[ALE]

Nice massacre, a year later. "For a year every night I have been pursuing by that truck"

It always happens around two at night. "What a strange thing, I think, watching the Tir's muzzle coming on me. What makes a truck here among all these people? Then I fall to the ground. I can swing back, turning to myself, because there is something that does not go with my body. I see my friend Carla lying on the asphalt, but she is in a strange position. My daughter Silvia is chin on her. She's screaming at her daughter, Matilde, trying to hug her. "Do not let it fall asleep, do not let it fall asleep." Carla raises her head, still can say something. But I'm far away, I can not hear. I turn to the point where I was invested. I see my left leg. It's a couple yards away from me. I scream, but no sound comes out of my mouth. Finally I wake up. "

..."I regularly hear Matilde and her husband. They will not return to Nice anymore. They are the only victims I have relationships with. With others I do not feel it. I also stopped reading the messages on my Facebook page. I can not do it"

...In September he will try with "American care", as he calls it. A clinical method based on the desensitization of one's own life through eye movements. "They told me it's a psychotherapy used for earthquakes and big catastrophes. So far nothing worked. I keep waking up to see what I've seen. I'm going to shoot a hundred psychologists. Maybe I should resign. "

...Time passes, and the memory of others fades away. The fate of the victims is this. Stay alone with yourself, look for courage to return to Nice. In June Moscato decided he would find it. The Italian state declared him invalid to one hundred percent but still does not recognize the right of escort.
... "I do not think I'm the only one to be pursued by that truck. I just want to sleep, and forget it. " On the evening of July 14, 2016, Mr. Moscato had made many pictures of artificial fires and his friends laughing with his phone. He has not found the courage to look at them yet.


http://www.corriere.it/esteri/17_lu...ir-251ce07c-66f8-11e7-9cb7-9d56a32dcee8.shtml

Can't forget that night, an act of pure evil

 

[Fawlty]

I'm sure some people thought it was nice, but I didn't.

 

[Gregolian]

I'm sure some people thought it was nice, but I didn't.

 

[hillelslovak87]

It's not an act of pure evil, it's an act of pure faith, and the sooner we all recognize that salient fact, the faster we can leave this iron age shit behind us.

 

[ALE]

I'm sure some people thought it was nice, but I didn't.

dude, it was retarded by any point of view

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Nice massacre, a year later. "For a year every night I have been pursuing by that TIR"

It always happens around two at night. "What a strange thing, I think, watching the Tir's muzzle coming on me. What makes a truck here among all these people? Then I fall to the ground. I can swing back, turning to myself, because there is something that does not go with my body. I see my friend Carla lying on the asphalt, but she is in a strange position. My daughter Silvia is chin on her. She's screaming at her daughter, Matilde, trying to hug her. "Do not let it fall asleep, do not let it fall asleep." Carla raises her head, still can say something. But I'm far away, I can not hear. I turn to the point where I was invested. I see my left leg. It's a couple yards away from me. I scream, but no sound comes out of my mouth. Finally I wake up. "

..."I regularly hear Matilde and her husband. They will not return to Nice anymore. They are the only victims I have relationships with. With others I do not feel it. I also stopped reading the messages on my Facebook page. I can not do it"

...In September he will try with "American care", as he calls it. A clinical method based on the desensitization of one's own life through eye movements. "They told me it's a psychotherapy used for earthquakes and big catastrophes. So far nothing worked. I keep waking up to see what I've seen. I'm going to shoot a hundred psychologists. Maybe I should resign. "

...Time passes, and the memory of others fades away. The fate of the victims is this. Stay alone with yourself, look for courage to return to Nice. In June Moscato decided he would find it. The Italian state declared him invalid to one hundred percent but still does not recognize the right of escort.
... "I do not think I'm the only one to be pursued by that truck. I just want to sleep, and forget it. " On the evening of July 14, 2016, Mr. Moscato had made many pictures of artificial fires and his friends laughing with his phone. He has not found the courage to look at them yet.


http://www.corriere.it/esteri/17_lu...ir-251ce07c-66f8-11e7-9cb7-9d56a32dcee8.shtml

Can't forget that night, an act of pure evil

 

[ALE]

It's not an act of pure evil, it's an act of pure faith, and the sooner we all recognize that salient fact, the faster we can leave this iron age shit behind us.

some men are evil, but people living in peace can't believe it.

all i know it's that we can't accept anything similar, at any cost.

 

[ALE]

*truck, edited

 

[hillelslovak87]

some men are evil, but people living in peace can't believe it.

all i know it's that we can't accept anything similar, at any cost.

Their religion is what inspired them, and their religion is what told them that what they were doing was not evil, but the highest good imaginable.

 

[ReAnimator Reagan]

It's not an act of pure evil, it's an act of pure faith, and the sooner we all recognize that salient fact, the faster we can leave this iron age shit behind us.

Really? Then why have communists---which are militantly atheists--murdered more people by more than 10 times at least. They have 100 million murders on their hands.
Seems some religions are shit (islam) and some are the bees knees (Christianity).

The worst genocides in the history of the REAL FUCKING WORLD AND PROVEN are all done by ATHEIST regimes.....it is not even close. You have no fucking idea of how the world works and are pitiful as fuck.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Really? Then why have communists---which are militantly atheists--murdered more people by more than 10 times at least. They have 100 million murders on their hands.
Seems some religions are shit (islam) and some are the bees knees (Christianity).

The worst genocides in the history of the REAL FUCKING WORLD AND PROVEN are all done by ATHEIST regimes.....it is not even close. You have no fucking idea of how the world works and are pitiful as fuck.

Yeah, Communism was not an expression of atheism in reality. Stalin embraced so many myths, like Lysenkoism, soviet biology and others, used the Russian Orthodox Church as a pawn to create a State and Leader Worship system. Besides, atheism is not a belief system, nor a world view, simply a recognition of the obvious, no more and no less.

But since we are on Russia, how many millions would you say died as a result of starvation, religious massacre and pogroms in the hundreds of years before the Soviet rise, when the Church had almost undisputed power, and it's Czars are divinely appointed? We can do this accounting all day, and I dont think you'll like the outcome.

Acknowledging the fact that Christianity, at this time, is not the greatest threat to our survival, does nothing to remedy the appalling crimes and misdemeanors it has inflicted, more or less, in all times and places, before Christians were forced to reform, and were forced into the marketplace of ideas in secular society, which I dont need to tell you, was created by men like Paine and Jefferson, who would most certainly be considered atheists in our time.

 

[ReAnimator Reagan]

Yeah, Communism was not an expression of atheism in reality. Stalin embraced so many myths, like Lysenkoism, soviet biology and others, used the Russian Orthodox Church as a pawn to create a State and Leader Worship system. Besides, atheism is not a belief system, nor a world view, simply a recognition of the obvious, no more and no less.

But since we are on Russia, how many millions would you say died as a result of starvation, religious massacre and pogroms in the hundreds of years before the Soviet rise, when the Church had almost undisputed power, and it's Czars are divinely appointed? We can do this accounting all day, and I dont think you'll like the outcome.

Acknowledging the fact that Christianity, at this time, is not the greatest threat to our survival, does nothing to remedy the appalling crimes and misdemeanors it has inflicted, more or less, in all times and places, before Christians were forced to reform, and were forced into the marketplace of ideas in secular society, which I dont need to tell you, was created by men like Paine and Jefferson, who would most certainly be considered atheists in our time.

Less than 5% of wars and even less casualties have been because of religion.
"Communism was not an expression of atheism in reality. "
- yes it was, sorry don't know shit about history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1928–1941)
USSR was absolutely atheist

"Jefferson, who would most certainly be considered atheists in our time"
- LOL you have no evidence of this and there is much against it. Jefferson was absolutely not and only a dumb shit would think so. Take a look at the declaration of independence.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
- lol, wow that is atheist as fuck!

FACE IT, THE ABSOLUTE WORST PIECES OF SHIT HAVE BEEN ATHEISTS.

Yeah, you are mad at your daddy or got molested as a child by a male so you hate god...got it. Care?




I love it when people show their stupidity because it always is accompanied by whiney period girl feelings and zero facts. Go away.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Less than 5% of wars and even less casualties have been because of religion.
"Communism was not an expression of atheism in reality. "
- yes it was, sorry don't know shit about history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1928–1941)
USSR was absolutely atheist

"Jefferson, who would most certainly be considered atheists in our time"
- LOL you have no evidence of this and there is much against it. Jefferson was absolutely not and only a dumb shit would think so. Take a look at the declaration of independence.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
- lol, wow that is atheist as fuck!

FACE IT, THE ABSOLUTE WORST PIECES OF SHIT HAVE BEEN ATHEISTS.

Yeah, you are mad at your daddy or got molested as a child by a male so you hate god...got it. Care?




I love it when people show their stupidity because it always is accompanied by whiney period girl feelings and zero facts. Go away.

Are you incapable of partaking in an argument without rampant insulting? If this is the way believers of God behave within a civil debate, you would seem a brilliant advertisement for the bloody provincial God of the Old Testament.

I await your explanation as to how the USSR appealed to Spinoza, Paine, Voltaire, and how they led their society by a rational, fact based approach, to anything. The Russians pushed State atheism, whilst betraying it completely. Once again, atheism is not a world view, and the crimes of the USSR were not due to a need for evidence and rational inquiry and mental freedom. They were the opposite of it, and made people worship the state. Replacing religion with another type of worship is not atheism. What's next, because North Korea bans religion, it's an atheist state, with it's Glorious, God Like leader, and his father and grandfather, long dead, still at the head of the party and government respectively?

Here is Jefferson on God:

Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion.

-Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.

-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus."

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Adrian Van der Kemp, 30 July, 1816

As you say of yourself, I too am an Epicurian. I consider the genuine (not the imputed) doctrines of Epicurus as containing everything rational in moral philosophy which Greece and Rome have left us.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, Oct. 31, 1819

Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820

To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But heresy it certainly is.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, Aug. 15, 1820

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

Jefferson made his own Bible, in which he removed every mention of magic or the supernatural.

The Declaration of Independence? Really? Every single word in that article was disputed and edited and argued over by Jefferson, Adams Franklin and Madison. Notice how they explicitly use the word creator, as nebulous as it is? Look in our constitution, the only mention of any God, is how to limit religion. This does not suit your argument at all.

Please address the countless men and women killed within religious societies over the milleniums, from the Aztecs, Incas, Christians, Jews, Muslims, African Animasts, polythesists, etc etc etc. as a direct result of superstitious religious beliefs. More than be counted.

 

[Rusk]

Yeah, Communism was not an expression of atheism in reality. Stalin embraced so many myths, like Lysenkoism, soviet biology and others, used the Russian Orthodox Church as a pawn to create a State and Leader Worship system. Besides, atheism is not a belief system, nor a world view, simply a recognition of the obvious, no more and no less.

But since we are on Russia, how many millions would you say died as a result of starvation, religious massacre and pogroms in the hundreds of years before the Soviet rise, when the Church had almost undisputed power, and it's Czars are divinely appointed? We can do this accounting all day, and I dont think you'll like the outcome.

Acknowledging the fact that Christianity, at this time, is not the greatest threat to our survival, does nothing to remedy the appalling crimes and misdemeanors it has inflicted, more or less, in all times and places, before Christians were forced to reform, and were forced into the marketplace of ideas in secular society, which I dont need to tell you, was created by men like Paine and Jefferson, who would most certainly be considered atheists in our time.

Atheism comes with huge baggage like materialism, rejection of free will, and reductionsim, so in theory it is a lack of belief in practice it is a very much a world view and a belief system.

Soviet Union was Atheistic as Fuck.

Communism have killed more Russians than Tsarist regime that`s for sure. The fact that you have to take 500 years of Russian history to demonstrate that "Religious" Russia is just as bad as Soviet proves my point.

Lastly if you think that Orthodox Church had undisputed power in Russia you dont know shit about Russian history and should probably stfu

 

[hillelslovak87]

Atheism comes with huge baggage like materialism, rejection of free will, and reductionsim, so in theory it is a lack of belief in practice it is a very much a world view and a belief system.

Soviet Union was Atheistic as Fuck.

Communism have killed more Russians than Tsarist regime that`s for sure. The fact that you have to take 500 years of Russian history to demonstrate that "Religious" Russia is just as bad as Soviet proves my point.

Lastly if you think that Orthodox Church had undisputed power in Russia you dont know shit about Russian history and should probably stfu

I in no way agree with this assessment. Materialism is in no way required to reject religious beliefs in their own terms. The rejection of free will? I have yet to hear a religious person either explain what free will even is, and how an all powerful God who knows your future can provide such free will. On reductionism, reducing phenomenon to their lower order structure is a part of science, and no "Well God did it" can approach understanding in anywhere near the honest way science does.

A state banning organized religion, whilst engaging in leader and party worship, believing in a worker's paradise after death, belief in Lysenko's absurd biology among other fantasies does not strike me as being in service to a rejection of faith and a want to be rational and objective.

I did not put the Czarist regimes on the same level of communism, considering there is no way to count all the countless people ground down by the Czarist system, it's Orthodox Church, and the numerous famines, plagues, and wars that resulted from the Church's monopoly on society and scientific development, and their role in hindering it.

I have yet to see a single society who organized itself on Paine, Spinoza, Voltaire and Socrates, and the values they promoted, and fell to ruin.

Please explain as to how a lack of belief in any God results in the ruin of a society. Please explain as to how Atheism was the principle cause of the massive suffering that ravaged the Soviet people.

 

[Bloodworth]

It's probably going to get worse before it gets better. These liberals are flooding the world with them and in 1 generation the real effects will take place.

 

[Gregolian]

Here's my issue where I put up with the whole no religion vs religion thing.

Religions can be used by zealots for fucked up shit. Ex: IRA in Northern Ireland, ISIS/Hezbollah/Hamas/Al Qaeda in, well... yeah as two big modern examples.

THAT SAID, some of my most vehement anti-religious friends who rail against Christians (not Jews, not Hindus, not Buddhists, Muslims or any other religion but Christians)... will also post shit about things about pop culture and sports figures or political people like they have a shrine to them. That concerns me just as much.

We've seen in history what happens when political leaders are virtually worshipped like they're Gods... and it has never turned out well.

 

[ReAnimator Reagan]

Are you incapable of partaking in an argument without rampant insulting? If this is the way believers of God behave within a civil debate, you would seem a brilliant advertisement for the bloody provincial God of the Old Testament.

I await your explanation as to how the USSR appealed to Spinoza, Paine, Voltaire, and how they led their society by a rational, fact based approach, to anything. The Russians pushed State atheism, whilst betraying it completely. Once again, atheism is not a world view, and the crimes of the USSR were not due to a need for evidence and rational inquiry and mental freedom. They were the opposite of it, and made people worship the state. Replacing religion with another type of worship is not atheism. What's next, because North Korea bans religion, it's an atheist state, with it's Glorious, God Like leader, and his father and grandfather, long dead, still at the head of the party and government respectively?

Here is Jefferson on God:

Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion.

-Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.

-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus."

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Adrian Van der Kemp, 30 July, 1816

As you say of yourself, I too am an Epicurian. I consider the genuine (not the imputed) doctrines of Epicurus as containing everything rational in moral philosophy which Greece and Rome have left us.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, Oct. 31, 1819

Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820

To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But heresy it certainly is.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, Aug. 15, 1820

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

Jefferson made his own Bible, in which he removed every mention of magic or the supernatural.

The Declaration of Independence? Really? Every single word in that article was disputed and edited and argued over by Jefferson, Adams Franklin and Madison. Notice how they explicitly use the word creator, as nebulous as it is? Look in our constitution, the only mention of any God, is how to limit religion. This does not suit your argument at all.

Please address the countless men and women killed within religious societies over the milleniums, from the Aztecs, Incas, Christians, Jews, Muslims, African Animasts, polythesists, etc etc etc. as a direct result of superstitious religious beliefs. More than be counted.

"Replacing religion with another type of worship is not atheism." --- yes it is, worshipping the STATE which is what ALWAYS happens when you remove religion is still atheism, remember atheism is the belief that god does not exist, or if you are a pussy atheist it is the lack of belief in god.....depends on your level of blind faith.

Like just because you feel something does not make it true.

None of this states with was an atheist. Sorry. The thought is that he was a DEIST. Not atheist at all.

"creator"-- Jefferson is credited with writing it and creator means god in this sense. Keep up with the shit arguments.

The facts are out on USSR already so you can be blind to that.

"Jefferson made his own Bible, in which he removed every mention of magic or the supernatural."
- 1) No he didn't remove "every mention of magic or the supernatural"
-2) He makes no statement on why he removed what he did. It is likely he wanted the moral teachings of Jesus and to put these into his philosophy of what the usa should be.

"In 1804, Jefferson began piecing together his own version of the Gospels from which he omitted the virgin birth of Jesus, miracles attributed to Jesus, divinity, and the resurrection of Jesus – among many other teachings and events.[65] He retained primarily Jesus' moral philosophy, of which he approved, and also included the Second Coming, a future judgment, Heaven, Hell, and a few other supernatural events. This compilation was completed about 1820, but Jefferson did not make these works public, acknowledging "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth" existence only to a few friends.[66] This work was published after his death and became known as the Jefferson Bible.["

 

[ReAnimator Reagan]

"None of this states with was an atheist. Sorry. The thought is that he was a DEIST. Not atheist at all."
- none of what you quoted states that Jefferson was an atheist and he at least thought that Jesus was a very good moral teacher. He seems to think that some of the bible was corrupt but he can also be seen as a purist, which puts him in a even more religious scope than being less religious, to have this kind of scrutiny.

 

[Madmick]

RIP.

Condolences to the families. A memorial thread isn't exactly the appropriate stage for a battleground, guys.