Opinion One of many stark differences between Trump's America and Putin's Russia

[IGotAHugePeckah]

An entire internet site was dedicated to making “Obama is literally Hitler memes” and the meme thread still has memes calling everybody from Hilary Clinton to teenagers from Parkland Nazis.

Nobody uses to care about Hitler accusations, that’s apparently a new outrage in defense of Trump and only Trump.

Lots of people and groups who compared Obama to Hitler: Iowa Tea Party, the Republican Women of Arundel County, Congressman Randy Weber, Bishop Daniel Jenky, Arizona Rep Brenda Barton, Ken Longone (Home Depot CEO), Hank Williams, Louie Gohmert, Paul Broun, etc.

Mike Huckabee said Obama's foreign policy was "Marching the Israelis right to the door of the oven." Ben Carson said Obama's government was the "Gaestapo age" and that the government under Obama was "very much like nazi Germany." Both of those guys were running for the Republican nomination, that's pretty crazy.

To clarify, I'm not taking a "Republican vs Democrat" line here.

Yeah, anyone who compared Obama to Hitler was being completely moronic, you won't get an argument from me there.

 

[nac386]

I compared Obama to Hitler for sure

Yeah, lots of you guys did. That is where the hilarious hypocrisy comes in.

“Literally Hitler” meme was coined for Obama by the online right wing community. Then, the online right wing community started mocking their own slogan and pretending it was actually the left. Lol

Also, on gun control:

Take the guns first, go through due process second," Trump said.

“I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man's case that just took place in Florida ... to go to court would have taken a long time.” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/administration/376097-trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second?amp

Yikes, don’t let due process slow ya down.

 

[nac386]

Or on using his power to silence criticism? Who needs a free press? Just change the libel laws and silence them.

 

[Fight To Win]

Yeah, lots of you guys did. That is where the hilarious hypocrisy comes in.

“Literally Hitler” meme was coined for Obama by the online right wing community. Then, the online right wing community started mocking their own slogan and pretending it was actually the left. Lol

Also, on gun control:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/administration/376097-trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second?amp

Yikes, don’t let due process slow ya down.

And to him as to Obama my response is the same, come and take my gun. I have it for self and home defense and if need be I can use it to fight tyranny. Have yet to see it rise. I was wrong about Obama being Hitler. Obama was hampered by republicans nearly as much as Trump is by democrats. Imo resistance to trump is unprecedented and possibly damaging. The difference is I can admit it. Maybe with hindsight the left will too.

 

[nac386]

To clarify, I'm not taking a "Republican vs Democrat" line here.

Yeah, anyone who compared Obama to Hitler was being completely moronic, you won't get an argument from me there.

It’s just one of those glaring hypocrisies that an entire internet community has decided to indulge in. Like, as long as they all say something ridiculous it becomes true. Call everyone Hitler, but then mock anybody who calls your guy Hitler. I mean these guys will call teenagers Hitler. They created a video that overplayed a Hitler speech over David Hogg’s voice. Lol.

They’ve also pushed this phony narrative that you couldn’t attack Obama. What? People attacked Obama constantly. He was called Hitler regularly. Fox News basically ran a 24-7 hit job on Obama and was the #1 ranked station. Lol. It’s fantasy land.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Check out the 3rd post in this thread, then come back and we can discuss.

those tweets don’t seem to be the same as what you stated though. So try again.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

I compared Obama to Hitler for sure because he was trying to disarm my country like Hitler did, badmouthing it all over the world, drumming up racial division just as much as Trump is. (In my opinion it's his bitter opponents doing most of that). It just wasn't as socially acceptable to be an Obama detractor as it is to be a Trump resistor. Its practically a virtue signal to say fuck Trump but even back when, you couldn't say much about Obama. He was the messiah.

Hitler only disarmed the jews. In resume, gun laws in the Weimar republic were very strict as in most of Europe now and then.
Hitler loosened the gun laws in general and banned them for Jews, Communists and Gypsies.
From wikipedia:

The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. But under the new law:

• Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, and the possession of ammunition.[8]
• The legal age at which guns could be purchased was lowered from 20 to 18.[9][10]
• Permits were valid for three years, rather than one year.[9]
• Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP (the National Socialist German Workers' Party) members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.[8]
• Manufacture of arms and ammunition continued to require a permit, with the proviso that such permits would no longer be issued to any company even partly owned by Jews; Jews could not manufacture or deal in firearms or ammunition.[8]

While being a member of the Nazi party seems restrictive anybody could become a member.
I think many people get nazi ideology wrong, it wasn't as totalitarian as Stalinism. Totalitarian means controlling every aspect of ones life.
Nazism was big on the idea of the rugged individualistic Aryan hero going to settle Eastern Europe(Lebensraum) much like American settling of the Wild West except that instead of genociding the Indians they were going to genocide the Slavs.

 

[Fight To Win]

Hitler only disarmed the jews. In resume, gun laws in the Weimar republic were very strict as in most of Europe now and then.
Hitler loosened the gun laws in general and banned them for Jews, Communists and Gypsies.
From wikipedia:

While being a member of the Nazi party seems restrictive anybody could become a member.
I think many people get nazi ideology wrong, it wasn't as totalitarian as Stalinism. Totalitarian means controlling every aspect of ones life.
Nazism was big on the idea of the rugged individualistic Aryan hero going to settle Eastern Europe(Lebensraum) much like American settling of the Wild West except that instead of genociding the Indians they were going to genocide the Slavs.

Well damn I know when I've been beaten. I cede the point

 

[Confucamus]

It’s just one of those glaring hypocrisies that an entire internet community has decided to indulge in. Like, as long as they all say something ridiculous it becomes true. Call everyone Hitler, but then mock anybody who calls your guy Hitler. I mean these guys will call teenagers Hitler. They created a video that overplayed a Hitler speech over David Hogg’s voice. Lol.

They’ve also pushed this phony narrative that you couldn’t attack Obama. What? People attacked Obama constantly. He was called Hitler regularly. Fox News basically ran a 24-7 hit job on Obama and was the #1 ranked station. Lol. It’s fantasy land.

Comparing any President to Adolph Hitler is a coward's move, no matter what side you're on. I've said this before on here and a few chicken shit posters even tried to justify the comparison. They only showed their ignorance. This is an issue for both sides Nac, not just right wingers. Rhetoric like that most certainly needs to go. A teenager with a smile on his face was compared to Nazis until the actual story came out.

President's deserve to be criticized if they do something wrong. That comes with the territory. Saying that you couldn't attack Obama isn't very far from the truth. Fox news was one of the only ones willing to call out Obama on his policies and this was almost always met with cries of racism. Other than that, Obama was the untouchable media darling with the race card shield protecting him at every angle. This is coming from somebody who voted for Obama twice. President Trump receives the exact opposite treatment. Fox news is the only news source that will actually mention positive things he does. 90% of all news media does nothing but criticize him and everything he does, even putting negative spins on positive stories.

Why do you think there's so many memes along the line of "Trump could cure cancer and CNN's breaking news headline would be "Having your cancer cured may make you a white supremacist"? There is absolutely no comparison to how Trump and Obama are treated by the media.

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

It’s just one of those glaring hypocrisies that an entire internet community has decided to indulge in. Like, as long as they all say something ridiculous it becomes true. Call everyone Hitler, but then mock anybody who calls your guy Hitler. I mean these guys will call teenagers Hitler. They created a video that overplayed a Hitler speech over David Hogg’s voice. Lol.

They’ve also pushed this phony narrative that you couldn’t attack Obama. What? People attacked Obama constantly. He was called Hitler regularly. Fox News basically ran a 24-7 hit job on Obama and was the #1 ranked station. Lol. It’s fantasy land.

Both sides engage in a lot of bullshit.

I will say for a fact though, that comparing Trump to Hitler is a much more accepted opinion, much closer to the mainstream, than saying it about Obama.

People who compared Obama to Hitler were looked at as crack pots. People compare Trump to Hitler and it's "hmmm... ya know there are similarities there..."

It's silly!

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

those tweets don’t seem to be the same as what you stated though. So try again.

Re-read my post, re-read the Tweets posted in the 3rd post of this thread, and come back.

If you're having trouble, maybe find an adult who can read and explain them to you lol

 

[nac386]

Comparing any President to Adolph Hitler is a coward's move, no matter what side you're on. I've said this before on here and a few chicken shit posters even tried to justify the comparison. They only showed their ignorance. This is an issue for both sides Nac, not just right wingers. Rhetoric like that most certainly needs to go. A teenager with a smile on his face was compared to Nazis until the actual story came out.

President's deserve to be criticized if they do something wrong. That comes with the territory. Saying that you couldn't attack Obama isn't very far from the truth. Fox news was one of the only ones willing to call out Obama on his policies and this was almost always met with cries of racism. Other than that, Obama was the untouchable media darling with the race card shield protecting him at every angle. This is coming from somebody who voted for Obama twice. President Trump receives the exact opposite treatment. Fox news is the only news source that will actually mention positive things he does. 90% of all news media does nothing but criticize him and everything he does, even putting negative spins on positive stories.

Of course it's wrong no matter who does it, and you'll never see me call a politician Hitler. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of creating the "Literally Hitler" meme for Obama in the first place, and then pretending it was the left, and then creating a new meme to mock their own meme which they've now pretended was from the left. Lol. But of course, they then still continued calling everyone else Hitler.

The attempts to compare the media's treatment of Obama and Trump always ignore the obvious distinction that one of them was a highly professional and dignified man, and the other is constantly going on Tweet storms and casting childish insults at anybody and everybody possible. Trump is the living embodiment of the Meme thread. Of course he's going to get constant bad press, he's constantly earning bad press.

The media is going to be less favorable to the less knowledgable, less dignified, and more antagonistic leader. When Trump tells Americans to go back to their countries, that's going to get lots of attention. When Trump calls other politicians that he is supposed to be working with mean school-yard insults like "low IQ" and "Pocahontas" it's going to get some attention. He does these things on a daily basis. The press actually ignores quite a bit of embarrassing behavior from Trump just because they don't have time to cover it all and some of it has been normalized at this point.

There is a long list of Republican politicians who have also bashed Trump. Are they also part of the anti-Trump media conspiracy, or is there a chance that Trump is just a bad leader and repugnant guy? How many Republicans have straight up said Trump was foolish, childish, ignorant, racist, unfit to lead, etc?

At some point we have to acknowledge that Trump is 100% responsible for his own actions, and deserves 100% of the result.

Why do you think there's so many memes along the line of "Trump could cure cancer and CNN's breaking news headline would be "Having your cancer cured may make you a white supremacist"? There is absolutely no comparison to how Trump and Obama are treated by the media.

Because the same people making those memes are the guys making the "Obama is Hitler" memes and all the other nonsense that floods the meme thread. That entire thread is a cesspool. It's a propaganda tool, nothing more. Memes are often created to push a specific false narrative and it's circulated by people who don't seem to understand the difference.

 

[nac386]

Both sides engage in a lot of bullshit.

I will say for a fact though, that comparing Trump to Hitler is a much more accepted opinion, much closer to the mainstream, than saying it about Obama.

People who compared Obama to Hitler were looked at as crack pots. People compare Trump to Hitler and it's "hmmm... ya know there are similarities there..."

It's silly!

Where do you find support for this claim?

It was accepted enough that two Presidential candidates (Carson and Huckabee) were able to compare Obama to the Nazis and hardly anybody on this forum even remembers it. I have to constantly remind people that Obama was called a Nazi all the time.

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b8b791ae62c5

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-40522656

https://www.macleans.ca/news/world/...lels-between-donald-trump-and-vladimir-putin/

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/netanyahu-trump-putin-love-story-190408095633979.html

https://www.economist.com/democracy...onald-trump-and-vladimir-putin-have-in-common

^here's some reading material for the trolls who actually claimed that no one is comparing Trump to Putin lol. But I'm sure this will be ignored.

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

Where do you find support for this claim?

It was accepted enough that two Presidential candidates (Carson and Huckabee) were able to compare Obama to the Nazis and hardly anybody on this forum even remembers it. I have to constantly remind people that Obama was called a Nazi all the time.

You say "nobody cared". A quick Google search says that's false. Seems like a lot of people noticed.

Some reading material for your consideration...

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/20/opinion/why-ben-carsons-nazi-analogies-matter.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...metaphors-in-politics/?utm_term=.df949e8deb38

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ben-carson-talking-hitler/story?id=34184130

^this link includes his own FUCKING CAMPAIGN MANAGER saying he shouldn't be doing it.

"Carson's campaign acknowledges the political perils associated with speaking of Nazi Germany and Hitler, and concedes that Carson should probably find a better example to make the same point.

"It's an example [Carson] has been using for years and to be honest with you he needs to find a better example because the problem is as soon as you say Hitler, nobody hears anything else you say,” Campaign Manager Barry Bennett told ABC News. "Its just so evil, so contemptible, that no one can hear anything else.”

https://www.mediamatters.org/resear...ecretary-housing-and-urban-development/214713

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/05/10/chris-wallace-ben-carson-fox-news-sunday_n_7252994.html

Hey, here's an interview he did with BILL O'RIELLY where former Mr. Fox News O'rielly DISAGREES with his Nazi analogies and acknowleges you will face backlash for using those kinds of analogies.

https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/dr-ben-carson-and-government-control

O'REILLY: And joining us now from Virginia Beach is Dr. Carson. So if you mention Nazis you know you are going to get hammered. But what you said right at the end there intrigued me a bit. You said if you believe it can't happen again -- see I don't believe that Nazism could happen in the USA. I don't think it could happen nor could communism happen here. Do you disagree with me?



You folk need to realise that just because people aren't talking about something on a FIGHTING FORUM, doesn't mean that the world isn't talking about it lol

When I'm talking politics, I'm thinking outside the small confines of Sherdog, as you should too.

 

[TheGreatA]

Hitler only disarmed the jews. In resume, gun laws in the Weimar republic were very strict as in most of Europe now and then.
Hitler loosened the gun laws in general and banned them for Jews, Communists and Gypsies.
From wikipedia:

While being a member of the Nazi party seems restrictive anybody could become a member.
I think many people get nazi ideology wrong, it wasn't as totalitarian as Stalinism. Totalitarian means controlling every aspect of ones life.
Nazism was big on the idea of the rugged individualistic Aryan hero going to settle Eastern Europe(Lebensraum) much like American settling of the Wild West except that instead of genociding the Indians they were going to genocide the Slavs.

It was totalitarian in the sense that it demanded submission to the ideology (allowing for certain differences in opinion, but not too many), but on the other hand, they gave you huge privileges in many ways, as long as you were a German. Guaranteed income, welfare, retirement funds, health-care, education etc. obviously, which were huge deals back in those days.

I'm pretty sure that scumbags like Amon Goeth or Dirlewanger or Mengele didn't feel as if they were subjected to slavery, because of Nazism. They were given so many passes, that they otherwise never would've been given, if not for belonging to the Nazi party. You could kill, maim, rape, commit inhuman experiments, at a whim, and at worst you'd get a bit of a jail stint, if you went completely over-board. What's the big deal about hailing some guy with a silly mustache every once in a while, compared to all that, especially if you're a sick fuck?

 

[nac386]

You say "nobody cared". A quick Google search says that's false. Seems like a lot of people noticed.

Some reading material for your consideration...

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/20/opinion/why-ben-carsons-nazi-analogies-matter.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...metaphors-in-politics/?utm_term=.df949e8deb38

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ben-carson-talking-hitler/story?id=34184130

^this link includes his own FUCKING CAMPAIGN MANAGER saying he shouldn't be doing it.

"Carson's campaign acknowledges the political perils associated with speaking of Nazi Germany and Hitler, and concedes that Carson should probably find a better example to make the same point.

"It's an example [Carson] has been using for years and to be honest with you he needs to find a better example because the problem is as soon as you say Hitler, nobody hears anything else you say,” Campaign Manager Barry Bennett told ABC News. "Its just so evil, so contemptible, that no one can hear anything else.”

https://www.mediamatters.org/resear...ecretary-housing-and-urban-development/214713

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/05/10/chris-wallace-ben-carson-fox-news-sunday_n_7252994.html

Hey, here's an interview he did with BILL O'RIELLY where former Mr. Fox News O'rielly DISAGREES with his Nazi analogies and acknowleges you will face backlash for using those kinds of analogies.

https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/dr-ben-carson-and-government-control

O'REILLY: And joining us now from Virginia Beach is Dr. Carson. So if you mention Nazis you know you are going to get hammered. But what you said right at the end there intrigued me a bit. You said if you believe it can't happen again -- see I don't believe that Nazism could happen in the USA. I don't think it could happen nor could communism happen here. Do you disagree with me?



You folk need to realise that just because people aren't talking about something on a FIGHTING FORUM, doesn't mean that the world isn't talking about it lol

When I'm talking politics, I'm thinking outside the small confines of Sherdog, as you should too.

You are combining different posts of mine and misinterpreting them.

When I said that people did not care I was referring to people on this forum who now pretend to care so deeply when Trump is accused of being a Nazi by someone on Twitter. Of course the media is going to notice Hitler accusations thrown around by presidential candidates.

My second post was saying that calling Obama Hitler was normalized to the point that two presidential candidates openly compared him to the Nazis. A very long list of other famous conservatives also compared him to Hitler. It was totally normalized by the right wing culture of that era and to a large extent it still is. Carson and Huckabee did not make those statements out of nowhere, it was very common.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Re-read my post, re-read the Tweets posted in the 3rd post of this thread, and come back.

If you're having trouble, maybe find an adult who can read and explain them to you lol

“tries to prevent people from criticizing him. ”

Where do they say that in those random tweets?

 

[VivaRevolution]

I see a lot of people of a certain political affiliation who, when not comparing Trump to Hitler, are comparing him to Putin. They say Trump is a dictator who is somehow curbing their freedom.

It's laughable when you consider what is going on with Russian NHL player Artemi Panarin (the bread man).

He openly criticised Putin in an interview and shit hit the proverbial fan for him. The Russian media is even scared to cover it because, as the article states, they have "reacted rather cautiously, not really having a blueprint on how to act when Putin is heavily criticized by a well-liked celebrity, particularly an active athlete."

https://www.slavadoesamerica.com/he-will-regret-this-fallout-in-russia-from-the-panarin-interview/

In America, pro athletes have to hide any support or admiration they have for President Trump, lest they suffer severe backlash from a large percentage of the populace. If you smash him, your stock skyrockets.

I think it's important for people to put into context the lack of freedom people have in many other countries. To call Trump a "dictator" just shows your ignorance.

Wait, I thought Russia, Trump, and Israel were going to protect the white race.

Are you telling me this is fake news?

 

[Jack V Savage]

They're comparing him to Hitler in these tweets. I don't think it's because of the mustache.

In terms of inclination, but no one thinks that he currently has the power to suppress criticism the way Putin does. The OP is a classic strawman.