One more reason local funding for public schools needs to change.

What else do you call taking money by compulsion?


Aren't you tired of this already. You're like a broken record.


We allllll get it. Taxes are theft in your eyes.

You derail every topic with this nonsense. In the real world we have taxes.
 
You get out of school what you put into it. It doesn't matter if you go to school in a 1 room schoolhouse.

The problem with schools today is the kids. And the parents.

That's why they call it "Schrewl" A whole lot of screwing around and little learning.

They give the kids Ipads and they just use them for porn and surfing.
this is it. Private schools have a different mentality on schooling, hence better at success. The kids and parents that go to private schools value the money they pay and put in much more effort in their kids. They also have much tighter qc of their kids.

It's not the parents fault TBH, it's our schooling system. I know as a fact, that my kids private school has much less funding than competing public schools.

btw, there are mega rich public schools around here, I live in LAUSD area and some of the schools are filthy rich and super nice. They just suck shit for academics.
 
I feel that this is a big issue and all, but technology will solve it. Soon we can have vr headsets on and meet up in any class we want without having to pay for actual brick and mortar buildings. Not to mention we have the ability to just buy textbooks for fairly cheap. I could buy the same books the kids at harvard read. There really isn't a reason your kid can't get a good education for basically peanuts if you actually want to give them one. Especially high school educations.

Even colleges are a bit of a joke. The level of discussion was laughably low in classes like sociology, any history class, and philosophy. The faculty coddled the students as well. Made me want to puke.


Maybe for some degrees. Can't really VR laboratory experience. I wouldn't want to react Phenylmagnesiumbromide with Benzaldehyde by myself over VR, for example.
 
Aren't you tired of this already. You're like a broken record.

We allllll get it. Taxes are theft in your eyes.

You derail every topic with this nonsense. In the real world we have taxes.

I understands it reads like I'm a broken record, but I have yet to see anyone make a distinction. I keep reading that they're not the same, but no one can successfully say why and qualify it.
 
Maybe for some degrees. Can't really VR laboratory experience. I wouldn't want to react Phenylmagnesiumbromide with Benzaldehyde by myself over VR, for example.

I agree, it won't completely replace common schooling. Although AR could certainly be implemented as well. For lower level schooling though, I think if we are smart we will really start implementing vr.
 
I agree, it won't completely replace common schooling. Although AR could certainly be implemented as well. For lower level schooling though, I think if we are smart we will really start implementing vr.

I don't like the idea. I think social interaction is part of the learning experience.
 
I understands it reads like I'm a broken record, but I have yet to see anyone make a distinction. I keep reading that they're not the same, but no one can successfully say why and qualify it.


Wel for one if you want well funded schools and teachers who are paid appropriately for s very tough job than taxes are a must for that to work.

Like I said to you many times before. Because you come from the libertarian mind set you throw solidarity right out the window.

Taxes allocated for schools is the perfect example of solidarity IMO. I don't think a better example even exists.

Whether or not I have children in school makes little to no difference. If I'm hoping for a well
Educated country and the proper schools to achieve that I must partake in solidarity.


With most libertarian ideology the concept of solidarity needs to be driven from your brains.
 
Well, you made it seem like the only justification for maintaining inequality was a myth about equality of opportunity through education.

But inequality doesn't need to be justified; it is the natural state of things, and there never really can be equality of opportunity, either. Inequality in both outcome and opportunity are as natural as sunrise and sunset, or the changing of the seasons.

Your proposition, in fact, has it backwards. It takes enormous effort to try to establish equality- its like trying to keep a garden free of insects. It means constant pruning, maintenance and expense, and even then, some bugs slip through. A better question would be- how do attempts to establish equality show themselves to be worth the expense?

We have examples in places like Baltimore, where per pupil spending is very high, that the expensive pesticide is is not keeping the insects off of the fruit very well at all. Perhaps some fruit is meant to be eaten by pests?

That certainly is a way to look at it; I am not going to try and change your view on justice (as you are debating based on the normative power of the actual).

I personally believe that a sense of justice is very important for social cohesion, however. People in the US, which still relies on the American dream myth, need to believe that rich people made it because they were smarter and put in more work than others. People need to believe that that rich dude could be them if they had made different choices in life.

If that does not work any more, your society with its stark contrasts in economic wealth will get real problems.
 
Wel for one if you want well funded schools and teachers who are paid appropriately for s very tough job than taxes are a must for that to work.

How are you coming to that conclusion? There's a demand for parents to have their kids receive good schooling isn't there? Why wouldn't there be a supply?
 
Imagine that, another sector funded, regulated, and operated by government is shit. Are we starting to see a pattern here WR? Probably not.The normalcy bias is strong with you!

Fed funded schools for the Hillary Youth.
 
Yet...



Public schools have become a pet interest of mine since I had a kid. I'm frequently surprised by the general failings of our system to properly educate the poorest among us. The quality of teachers, facilities, etc. are all directly proportional to the wealth of the surrounding neighborhoods.

Now, I live in a solid neighborhood with parents who send their kids to $30k preschools (which is insane to me) and $40k elementary schools. But I'm a product of public schools and think we need to take them more seriously.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...under-investment-in-nations-school-buildings/
http://www.oecd.org/edu/innovation-education/disparitiesinspendingonuspublicschoolfacilities.htm


We should just privatize, and get rid of the whole format. You dont need this big box buildings, with lockers, and what not to teach kids. You dont even need different different grades (like K-12, not test scores). Every kids has his own pace anyways.

I used to go to those asian afterschool tutoring services. I learned ten times more there than I ever did from public, and it was located in an office building inside a small office.
 
You get out of school what you put into it. It doesn't matter if you go to school in a 1 room schoolhouse.

The problem with schools today is the kids. And the parents.

That's why they call it "Schrewl" A whole lot of screwing around and little learning.

They give the kids Ipads and they just use them for porn and surfing.

The problem with publics is also, the teachers are boring, the subjects are boring, and the whole format just feels like a prison.
 
Imagine that, another sector funded, regulated, and operated by government is shit. Are we starting to see a pattern here WR? Probably not.The normalcy bias is strong with you!

Are you agreeing with me when I say just get rid of public schools, and let private do all the teaching?
 
If the child isn't eating on the regular and sleeping in a safe place then he/she isn't going to learn much in school.

You mean isnt going to be intredasted in topics currently taught in the public schools unless, it is infantry school.
 
This is a typical school for elementary pinheads in Houston:
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It looks like a fuckin Univeristy. Every time a new one pops up its twice the size of any previous one.

And yet the Chinese are still better at math.

I mean look at this, by the time their 6 the Chinese can do Algebra and Karate Chops!
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Didn't take a huge new school neither either!

But the football stadiums also get bigger and better for HS, and we can wallop the chinese in that.
 
The problem with publics is also, the teachers are boring, the subjects are boring, and the whole format just feels like a prison.
I don't want to knock the teachers though. Some are really good and they put their heart and soul into it.

School is too long and they sit still too long. It is a prison for boys. Boys should not be in school that long. They should be active and learn how to do things with their dad.
 
this is it. Private schools have a different mentality on schooling, hence better at success. The kids and parents that go to private schools value the money they pay and put in much more effort in their kids. They also have much tighter qc of their kids.

It's not the parents fault TBH, it's our schooling system. I know as a fact, that my kids private school has much less funding than competing public schools.

btw, there are mega rich public schools around here, I live in LAUSD area and some of the schools are filthy rich and super nice. They just suck shit for academics.

Actually, private schools don't outperform public schools when it comes to student perforance, with the exception of the extremely elite prep schools and Jesuit schools. Everything else is pretty much on par with public.

It's a common misconception. One that private schools understandably don't broadcast.

Now, you might prefer the social environment better. That's a real difference.
 
Teachers should be paid more.

They do all the actual work.

How much money actuslly hits the classroom after administration and behind the scenes people suck off every last drop. The classroom always sees the money last.

All teachers should unionize and demand better pay. Your post is beyond stupid.

The teachers should have to seek out their own clients/students, and not have them given by location of their houses.
 
I don't want to knock the teachers though. Some are really good and they put their heart and soul into it.

School is too long and they sit still too long. It is a prison for boys. Boys should not be in school that long. They should be active and learn how to do things with their dad.

There is only so much a teacher can do with the format of random kids stuck in a room for 50 minutes at a time.
 
You get out of school what you put into it. It doesn't matter if you go to school in a 1 room schoolhouse.

The problem with schools today is the kids. And the parents.

That's why they call it "Schrewl" A whole lot of screwing around and little learning.

They give the kids Ipads and they just use them for porn and surfing.

Richer neighborhoods will ALWAYS have better schooling.

No law will ever prevent people with money from Investing in their childs future.


Regarding private schools, um, we shouldnt compare schools that cost 30k a year to public schools.

Also, the more money a family has, the more likely you have housewives with no job,with plenty of time to volunteer and be involved.

Parent involvement is waaaaaay more important than the building, imo.

It has very little to do with the building, and to a certain extent, the teachers. It has everything to do with the parents involvement/interest in the child's education.

Education outcomes can't be boiled down to a single variable. Parental involvement is important but so is the actual learning environment.

I didn't link the source but it's mentioned in the OP. A growing body of research shows that the quality of the learning environment impacts how kids respond to education. Which make sense.

If you went to work in a run down hole in the wall, you'd feel less positively about your job. Especially if someone else with the exact same job had a beautiful top floor office with all the amenities. It would telegraph to you that your company doesn't value you the same way the other company values it's employees.

While this is a perfectly fine model in business or in private schools, it shouldn't happen in what is supposedly a public good. It tells children from poor schools that their education isn't seen as equally important to the education of children from better neighborhoods.

Just improving the quality of the facilities actually lowers dropout rates. Things like that deserve our attention. And we should avoid the kneejerk reaction of thinking about poor neighborhoods and schools as inner city problems. This is an issue that really does cross the entire nation.
 
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