i also doubt he is natty, as i do also doubt that any of his carnivorous competitors are. i take for granted, as someone who has done steroids in the past, that virtually everyone who has hit any level is. and ya, Pat really isnt THAT strong in a worldwide sense. i mean, he is very, very strong and %wise, stronger than nearly anyone, but the cream of the crop is clearly stronger than him. its numbers, though. nearly everyone is eating meat.