OMG Tech Giants so Leftist: Bolivarian news outlet TeleSUR again banned from Facebook without reason

I trust Russia Today more than TeleSUR.

RT isn't a bad news outlet imo.

Now it makes perfect sense why your view is so tragically warped in the Venezuela mega thread.

According to the burning dumpster that is TeleSUR, neither Chavez nor Maduro ever did anything wrong with their excellent economic Socialist policies, that sham of an election in Caracas is 100% legitimate, and the deepening humanitarian crisis in Venezuela is just false rumors completely made up by the evil American empire and their OAS puppets. Is that the gist of it?

Let's call it what it is: This shitty site is nowhere near a "news outlet". It's 100% a government mouthpiece, with the primary function being to parrot what ever their socialist dictators say, no matter how much the people are suffering.

You do understand how having pro-government selective coverage and pro-government slant is different than circulating fake news or otherwise violating social media terms and conditions, right?
 
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@Trotsky

Cmon man, you are smarter than that, even Chomsky admited that XXI century socialism was a complete failure.

Cut your losses and move on.
 
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@Trotsky

Cmon man, you are smarter than that, even Chomsky admited that XXI century socialism was a complete failure.

Cut your losses and move on.

Huh?

Chomsky said no such thing, and I have no idea what 21st century socialism refers to. I make no pretenses about the short-sightedness and failures of the Chavez petro-state model, but that's not what is being discussed.
 
Now it makes perfect sense why your view is so tragically warped in the Venezuela mega thread.

According to the burning dumpster that is TeleSUR, neither Chavez nor Maduro ever did anything wrong with their excellent economic Socialist policies, that sham of an election in Caracas is 100% legitimate, and the deepening humanitarian crisis in Venezuela is just false rumors completely made up by the evil American empire and their OAS puppets. Is that the gist of it?

Let's call it what it is: This shitty site is nowhere near a "news outlet". It's 100% a government mouthpiece, with the primary function being to parrot what ever their socialist dictators say, no matter how much the people are suffering.
<WellThere>
 
Isn't this like saying the Hell's Angels aren't racist because they let in some Asian dudes one time 20 years ago?
 
Huh?

Chomsky said no such thing, and I have no idea what 21st century socialism refers to. I make no pretenses about the short-sightedness and failures of the Chavez petro-state model, but that's not what is being discussed.

"uh" what? they are reporting the minimum wage in Venezuela is 892 USD a month, that its outright fake news, almost Infowars levels of fake news.

NOAM CHOMSKY: Venezuela is really a disaster situation. The economy relies on oil as to a great—probably a greater extent than ever in the past, certainly very high. And the corruption, the robbery and so on, has been extreme, under the—especially after Chávez’s death.



But according to @Possum Jenkins corruption is such an ideologically abstract thing that its barely worth mentioning (its the original sin IMO).
 
Now it makes perfect sense why your view is so tragically warped in the Venezuela mega thread.

According to the burning dumpster that is TeleSUR, neither Chavez nor Maduro ever did anything wrong with their excellent economic Socialist policies, that sham of an election in Caracas is 100% legitimate, and the deepening humanitarian crisis in Venezuela is just false rumors completely made up by the evil American empire and their OAS puppets. Is that the gist of it?

Let's call it what it is: This shitty site is nowhere near a "news outlet". It's 100% a government mouthpiece, with the primary function being to parrot what ever their socialist dictators say, no matter how much the people are suffering.

I would give you a like but by ignoring @Jack V Savage callout in the "Medicare for all" you just temporarily entered Rod1's no-like doghouse.
 
"uh" what? they are reporting the minimum wage in Venezuela is 892 USD a month, that its outright fake news, almost Infowars levels of fake news.

NOAM CHOMSKY: Venezuela is really a disaster situation. The economy relies on oil as to a great—probably a greater extent than ever in the past, certainly very high. And the corruption, the robbery and so on, has been extreme, under the—especially after Chávez’s death.



But according to @Possum Jenkins corruption is such an ideologically abstract thing that its barely worth mentioning (its the original sin IMO).


After I posted that, I realized you meant "Socialism in the 21st Century" as in what Chavez called his movement. I forgot about that term of art.

As I said, I make no pretenses about the efficacy of the petro-state model. However, I do maintain that support of the Maduro government is far preferable to support of the Latin American oligarchs funding and exacerbating Venezuelan dissent.
 
The corporate agenda does not necessarily align with the left-wing agenda. It has just incorporated some of their populist positions to the narrative that they push in order to consolidate even more power for themselves.

Major corporations certainly don't want anything to do with nationalization and regulation of industries, increased labour rights, unions to combat corporate power. They'd rather shift the focus to some petty racial or gender-bender issues instead.

Unfortunately, a lot of partisan hacks have swallowed the bait and gladly welcome their new globalist, corporate overlords.
 
After I posted that, I realized you meant "Socialism in the 21st Century" as in what Chavez called his movement. I forgot about that term of art.

As I said, I make no pretenses about the efficacy of the petro-state model. However, I do maintain that support of the Maduro government is far preferable to support of the Latin American oligarchs funding and exacerbating Venezuelan dissent.

How are they funding and exacerbating said dissent when there is absolute monetary and military control of Venezuela by Maduro?
 
I would give you a like but by ignoring @Jack V Savage callout in the "Medicare for all" you just temporarily entered Rod1's no-like doghouse.

JvS is on my ignore list since Evergreen. My time is too precious to waste on the typical "Didn't read the thread, but here's my worthless opinion about the thread, because I don't actually know anything about the thread" kind of contribution to the discussions at hand.
 
How are they funding and exacerbating said dissent when there is absolute monetary and military control of Venezuela by Maduro?

Seriously? By actively providing payment, instruction, and weapons to violent dissidents and shock groups. No different than what they did in 2002, sans commission of the military, or what the US did in Iran in the 1950s.
 
Leftism in America is not leftism outside of it...a prime example would be that none of those countries hold up to the American leftist ideas that gender is fluid, that gays should get married, that modern feminism is sane, that Disney Star Wars movies are remotely decent, or cares what Hollywood thinks, ETC.
 
Seriously? By actively providing payment, instruction, and weapons to violent dissidents and shock groups. No different than what they did in 2002, sans commission of the military, or what the US did in Iran in the 1950s.

Which group again? because if they were actively giving hard currency to any group Venezuela would be on the ground in a matter of days, the country is already in shambles.
 

But according to @Possum Jenkins corruption is such an ideologically abstract thing that its barely worth mentioning (its the original sin IMO).

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No, according to me, corruption is an ideologically-free phenomenon. Neither left or right wing doctrine or government accepts corruption. You can argue about which is more likely to have corruption (naturally, this will lie with your own political preferences) but you can't in good faith argue that corruption is an essential part of either.

(Since I said "in good faith", this exempts you, Rod. So go ahead and argue to the absolute death about how corruption is an inescapable part of the left)
 
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No, according to me, corruption is an ideologically-free phenomenon. Neither left or right wing doctrine or government accepts corruption. You can argue about which is more likely to have corruption (naturally, this will lie with your own political preferences) but you can't in good faith argue that corruption is an essential part of either.

(Since I said "in good faith", this exempts you, Rod. So go ahead and argue to the absolute death about how corruption is an inescapable part of the left)

Except its not.

Corruption is intrinsecally tied to the rule of law, ideologies that think that the "rule of law" is a tool of the burgoise to oppress the masses by its very definition promotes corruption.

https://www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/business-law/law-in-the-socialist-society.php

And i never said "The left", for someone who claims to be a liberal you still have the classic Americentrism in which you try to fit the entire world through the lenses of the American political reality.

You are simply too pampered growing up in a country where a strong rule of law is a given to understand what it is to live in a country where it is not.
 
Except its not.

Corruption is intrinsecally tied to the rule of law, ideologies that think that the "rule of law" is a tool of the burgoise to oppress the masses by its very definition promotes corruption.

https://www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/business-law/law-in-the-socialist-society.php

And i never said "The left", for someone who claims to be a liberal you still have the classic Americentrism in which you try to fit the entire world through the lenses of the American political reality.

You are simply too pampered growing up in a country where a strong rule of law is a given to understand what it is to live in a country where it is not.

This is an absolutely asinine post. Your argument is that the Marxian theory of withering of the state dictates that Marxist ideology promotes corruption? Lol.

Firstly, you and the author of your link are misstating Marx's concept of the state (and law) as a sociological inevitability, rather than as an historical artifact. Secondly, it mistakes law, rather than property, as the explanatory principle of communistic beginnings of the withering process. Thirdly, it mistakes law's existence as a microcosm of bourgeoisie domination, rather than law being used according to it in order to preserve existing social relations. Fourthly, even if those mistakes weren't made, your conclusion would not logically flow from your premise: if anything, that would dictate that corruption would be less likely under Marxist jurisprudence, as distribution for collective purpose would be seen as a natural necessity rather than as a regulatory one. Fifthly, Marxian thinkers very clearly have established the need for law as an expression of and remedy for existing social relations, both adverse and mutual. https://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3505&context=ndlr

All I can say is....

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Thank god.
 
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