Oldschool Dutch fighting secrets reveiled

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I’ve been around for a while, trained with Dutch legends like Peter Aerts and Ramon Dekker. I was an ok muay thai fighter in the 90’s but never became good at jiu jitsu so my mma career is nothing to be proud of. Never the less I was involved in Dutch martial arts in the early days and a lot of Dutch fighters have shared their “secrets” with me. Important disclaimer: I am not saying these are effective, but these were methods we used to prepare for fights. Most of them are probably bullshit, but this was pre internet, where people still believed you could die by pushing a pressure point or whatever.

Jab straight lowkick

Not a real weird one to start with, but this combination (jab, straight, left lowkick) used to be the base of all dutch classic muay thai. About one fourth of training was spend just practicing this combination. Also it was advised to end EVERY combination with a lowkick if possible. That is where the famous Dutch lowkick comes from, we used to be obsessed with this combo.

Speed / amphetamine

It seems crazy now, but a LOT of Dutch fighters used to sniff some speed (pep) before their fights. There were no drug regulations, no testing and in some occasions no rules to fighting at all. The speed made them more aggressive and feel less pain. In the 90’s speed used to be a common drug because of the Dutch gabber culture (speed to gabber was like weed to reggae). After some fighters collapsed after their fight because of dehydration en exhaustion this method was used less and less often.

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Drinking whisky

This was more of a mind game than a training method. It was only used against foreign fighters since most Dutch fighters knew this trick. Right before a weigh in or right before a fight we used to take a sip of whisky and held it in our mouth as long as possible. That way our opponent would think we were drunk. Not really sure how it affected the fights, but is was seen as a funny tradition. Bas Rutten used to do this all the time (and also talked about in on his Joe Rogan podcast). Drinking alcohol in general was also common, even with the top fighters.

Horse meat

It is no secret Dutch fighters eat a lot of horsemeat (Alistair being famous for it, but he is not the only one at all). In those days horse meat was thought to have some magical powers. Now we know the nutritional value is not that different from other meat, but the tradition still exists. Dutch people eat a lot of horsemeat in general, hence the tradition to eat horsemeat hamburgers with salmon on Saturday (long story, has something to do with a battle hundreds of years ago where the dutch army ate the horses of the enemy).

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Draai om je oren

A draai om je oren means something like getting hit in the face. To train difficult moments during a fight, before the training the trainer would hit everyone REALLY hard, sometimes to the point of a KO so the whole training became one big blur. There was not much knowledge about concussions (most people probably didn’t even know a KO was a concussion), so it was just seen as hardening the mind.

Scraping the shin

It also was common to end every training with scheenschrapen (shin scraping). There we would perform a deadlift with the lightest possible weight (50 kg, about 100 lbs) and let the bar (including the grip part) scrape the shin until it was bleeding. Then we took one week off and did the same thing again. The theory was it would give the legs callus en therefore made it tougher. Most older Dutch fighters (Aerts and Hoost come to mind) have these visible scars on their legs.

It was also common to roll over the shin with a wooden or iron stick or even kick lightpoles just to "kill the nerves".

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Breaking the nose

It might sound crazy at this time, but most professional fighters would intentionally break their nose and then let a doctor remove the largest part of their nosebone. That way it could not break again and hinder them in a fight. Since doctors were not allowed to intentionally break someone’s nose most fighters did it to themselves or let a teammate do it. If you look at a picture of Ernesto Hoost you can clearly see he has no nosebone left.

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Hoopje (pile)

Mid 90’s MMA became more and more important so a lot of fighters wanted to learn the ground game. The problem was, at that time being so close to another man was considered “gay”, not a good thing in a world of alpha males. In Holland we have no wrestling tradition or any sport where this kind of contact is normal. To “train” fighters in this a part of training used to be a “hoopje” (a pile), where all fighters would just jump on each other and lay there for a few minutes. Then the fighters who lay on top would lay under and vice versa. It was not uncommon for the trainer to make gay jokes during this, just to harden the mind and getting used to this. It may seem really weird now, but those were crazy times without a lot of knowledge.

(This picture shows what a hoopje looks like, it is now common to do for fun in Holland)

As always, English is not my native language. Sorry for any grammatical errors.

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Brad Pickett could do with removing the nosebone seeing as it has been broken 4,053 times.
 
Brad Pickett could do with removing the nosebone seeing as it has been broken 4,053 times.

Would've been a smart move though. Also in muay thai fighting every 2-3 weeks was not uncommon.. that wouldn't go well with a nosebone.
 
Don't forget weed , MDMA and other drugs :p

As a dutch guy also sparred with alot of fighters and dudes form different disciplines , boxing , kickboxing , judo , taekwondo etc. The main training here in holland for years is mostly sparring only , without headgear and sometimes for multiple hours in a row . Where used to train we sparred daily for 4 hours on 40 % or 50 % power and 1 time every week 100 % without headgear but still on high speed and technique.

Also lower weightclasses spar with heavyweight etc , there is not much regard for weight difference during training.
 
Don't forget weed , MDMA and other drugs :p

As a dutch guy also sparred with alot of fighters and dudes form different disciplines , boxing , kickboxing , judo , taekwondo etc. The main training here in holland for years is mostly sparring only , without headgear and sometimes for multiple hours in a row . Where used to train we sparred daily for 4 hours on 40 % or 50 % power and 1 time every week 100 % without headgear but still on high speed and technique.

Also lower weightclasses spar with heavyweight etc , there is not much regard for weight difference during training.

That is true, the motto would be "pijn is fijn" (pain is pleasant). We had the Chute boxe mentality. Works for some.. most people would break down (i did after a few years lol).
 
Lol no from Rotterdam (Holland). Frisians would never call their country Holland.
No offense but rotterdam is more like little morocco these days. Amsterdam nowadays has little do with with dutch culture at all, when i talk to foreigners who recently visited Amsterdam ( only amsterdam ) they really believe they have been in holland or merged into dutch culture. My mate from England ( Devon) is 40 years old and he has been in holland a few times visited mostly Amsterdam but he and his friends also say that Amsterdam has little to do with dutch culture.
 
That is true, the motto would be "pijn is fijn" (pain is pleasant). We had the Chute boxe mentality. Works for some.. most people would break down (i did after a few years lol).
lol true. .. often when we had nosebleed or fucked up shit we would just plug our nose and keep on fighting. you just don''t stop in the middle of sparring session due to minor damage, having blue eyes are like a fulltime 24/7 job.
 
Alot of that is quite close to the swedish muay thai/kickboxing/taekwondo culture in the 80s and 90s. Martial arts got a bad rep, and probably rightly so. Alot of high level people were involved in criminality, for example robbing banks. For example Liam Norberg was a nordic taekwondo champion and did a bank heist with over a 880-930 million SEK in loot. Beating up people and having street fights was very common as well.
 
Where I train, we practice the jab straight and middle kick (not low) combination all the time.
 
No offense but rotterdam is more like little morocco these days. Amsterdam nowadays has little do with with dutch culture at all, when i talk to foreigners who recently visited Amsterdam ( only amsterdam ) they really believe they have been in holland or merged into dutch culture. My mate from England ( Devon) is 40 years old and he has been in holland a few times visited mostly Amsterdam but he and his friends also say that Amsterdam has little to do with dutch culture.

I'm from Rotterdam south, more Turks and Surinams over here (thank god). But agreed.. Amsterdam is just a tourist shithole. Kinda like samurai and ninjas are not current Japanese culture.
 
Where I train, we practice the jab straight and middle kick (not low) combination all the time.

Strange enough, the midkick was the least used in Dutch muay thai.. it was either low kick or high kick most of the times. Midkick was mainly used to strike the liver (Bas Rutten classic)
 
Alot of that is quite close to the swedish muay thai/kickboxing/taekwondo culture in the 80s and 90s. Martial arts got a bad rep, and probably rightly so. Alot of high level people were involved in criminality, for example robbing banks. For example Liam Norberg was a nordic taekwondo champion and did a bank heist with over a 880-930 million SEK in loot. Beating up people and having street fights was very common as well.

Agreed. The list of Dutch fighters who were murdered, involved with gangs or even murdered themselves is LONG. UFC in may is one of the first big fight events in a while. Especially biker gangs play a great role in dutch fighting scene.. and thats a shame.
 
ah the good ol i train ufc thread. 8/10 for doing a fine job.
 
Outside of number 1, they're all retarded.

The whole muay thai scene was retarded.. especially if you compare to today's scientific approach.. then again.. it made a LOT of world champions so the rest was probably training even more retarded.
 
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