Old skool leg-locks

[FlameBallKid]

Ok, so obviously Palhares is king of the leglocks (albeit on lower level competition).

How come we almost never see the toe-hold, heel hook, knee bar, etc these days??

Obviously sub defence has advanced. Is it that Toquinho is so good at them, or that others neglect to practice and perfect the lower limb subs??

All opinions welcome...

 

[Grappleboxing]

Toe hold is a bit of a strength move, and position-wise, it isn't that good in the context of mma.

Kneebars are more common due to the positioning, but it still puts you in a bad position to get pounded on.

Heel hooks are very common in mma due to the fact it can go from 0-60 in 1 second, potentially causing a lot of damage.

Toquinho is tremendously explosive and relentless in his submission game, so he grabs a leg and tries everything in his power to break a leg. So it is a mixture of his intensity when pursuing leglocks, mixed with his natural strength, that makes him such a big threat with leg locks.

 

[BrazilianDude]

He's excellent at them. Evil, but excellent.
His set up from the clinch is awesome. People should really try to learn it, specially short guys.

 

[welcometohavoc]

Palhaeres possesses tremendous strength and technique to pull it off. A big reason you don't see more is because after a few minutes of fighting, the legs become slick with sweat and it becomes much harder to pull off.

 

[dieknowsore]

Palhaeres possesses tremendous strength and technique to pull it off. A big reason you don't see more is because after a few minutes of fighting, the legs become slick with sweat and it becomes much harder to pull off.

all of what he said.

leg lecks require a lot of strenght, technique, and have to be done early in the fight.
they are also a very risky move.

 

[FlameBallKid]

Appreciate the input Grapple. At elite MMA level, these subs are very rare now, especially compared to early UFC and PANCRASE era's.

Is it improved awareness and defence, or lack of attack?

 

[FlameBallKid]

On another note, Toquinho didn't seem to have lost much muscle dropping to 170!!

How far do you guys think he can go? Some interesting lower top 10 fights for sure!!

 

[Jew Jif Shoes]

Palhares is one of the few guys who actively looks for leg locks, and being a brute definitely helps him muscle into them. I bet we'd see more if people actually tried for them more often, it's just that the potential position loss makes people more hesitant to use them.

 

[big_fn_hair]

Appreciate the input Grapple. At elite MMA level, these subs are very rare now, especially compared to early UFC and PANCRASE era's.

Is it improved awareness and defence, or lack of attack?

Pancrase required fighters to wear pro wrestling-style boots. Makes a leglock somewhere near 1000% easier to pull off.

 

[Supereem]

Toe hold is a bit of a strength move, and position-wise, it isn't that good in the context of mma.

Kneebars are more common due to the positioning, but it still puts you in a bad position to get pounded on.

Heel hooks are very common in mma due to the fact it can go from 0-60 in 1 second, potentially causing a lot of damage.

Toquinho is tremendously explosive and relentless in his submission game, so he grabs a leg and tries everything in his power to break a leg. So it is a mixture of his intensity when pursuing leglocks, mixed with his natural strength, that makes him such a big threat with leg locks.

Toeholds are a strength move? Shut up you stupid white belt. Learn to apply the moves technically before making stupid posts.

The reason guys don't go for leg locks is the same treason they don't go for armbars from mount: risk. But a skilled tactician wouldn't end up in guard from a leg lock attempt.

 

[Grappleboxing]

Appreciate the input Grapple. At elite MMA level, these subs are very rare now, especially compared to early UFC and PANCRASE era's.

Is it improved awareness and defence, or lack of attack?

It is probably the latter. People in BJJ have the stigma about leglocks as being "cheap" or "douchebag move", which leads into people not doing them. This leads to lack of attack and therefore, people don't train against it as much.

 

[FlameBallKid]

Toeholds are a strength move? Shut up you stupid white belt. Learn to apply the moves technically before making stupid posts.

The reason guys don't go for leg locks is the same treason they don't go for armbars from mount: risk. But a skilled tactician wouldn't end up in guard from a leg lock attempt.

I was thinking about the risk abd giving up position.. Toq attacks from standing as he's pretty much a one-trick pony!

Still, even the great Spider was vulnerable from an attack from Chonan! I know that was an anomaly but the leg is often there to be attacked - particularly from guys who are comfortable off their back?

 

[FlameBallKid]

It is probably the latter. People in BJJ have the stigma about leglocks as being "cheap" or "douchebag move", which leads into people not doing them. This leads to lack of attack and therefore, people don't train against it as much.

True enough but pure BJJ guys need to adapt to MMA in more ways than one. I suppose if they secure a take-down, it's easier to maintain position and control in guard, side or back...

Toquinho just makes the leg attack look do easy!!

 

[ALAN PARTRIDGE]

I would wanna play Twister with him and Ronda

 

[FlameBallKid]

I would wanna play Twister with him and Ronda

I know a crackin owl sanctuary...