Social Oklahoma To Require Bible, Ten Commandments Be Taught In Public Schools

[Andy Capp]

My older Son spent some time around religious kids who went to a Catholic school. He got told on when he told one who kept insisting on the viability of God's judgment (the kid kept teasing him that God doesnt like him) "You dont even know if God is even real or not." Adults were not happy. I praised him for thinking freely

I detest the idea of private schools, and I really fucking detest religion-based private schools. When I was a kid and walked to school, I had to pass the "Protestant school" to get to the "Catholic school" (those were most kids' only two options at the time, to be clear) every fucking day. Infuriating. It was more than twice as far FFS. Then we'd have to sing God Save the Queen. Yuck. Kept me fit though, I guess--well, that and running from bullies lol. So there's that.

Later, adopting multiculturalism as an official national operating principle meant both these (fully public) schools could no longer be openly religious institutions (most of my teachers in elementary were nuns) and eventually became fully secular. So now this city has multiple private schools, at least one of which labels itself Christian.

 

[djacobox372]

Typical misdirecting bullshit in an attempt to get away from the point of THIS particular discussion.

The guy you were attacking was speaking on a tangential issue of which of the ten commandments are practical. If you really wanted to criticize for going off topic you would have said so in your original quote.

But that's not what you did. You asked "have you actually read them?" insinuating that he didn't know what they said.

His point was that most of the ten commandments were practical and good. You said "read the first four and get back to me."

This demonstrates that you know he's right because you said four, and not all of them. And rather than make the slightest of concessions that you misjudged him, you bend yourself around reality exposing how stubborn you are. Interesting that you accused him of being disingenuous.

I'm not saying the ten commandments should be taught in public schools. And for the record neither did he. Go back and look at his post. All he said is that most of them contain good, practical wisdom and for no reason, you started harping on him. I called you out on it and now you're stuck because your pride compels you to keep flailing for some semblance of foundation.

If something is 40% bad, it's bad.

Also, there is no wisdom in "don't steal" "don't kill" and "don't fuck your neighbors wife," that's such basic common sense that every society on earth has adopted, with or without religion.

 

[WhiteMousse]

If something is 40% bad, it's bad.

Also, there is no wisdom in "don't steal" "don't kill" and "don't fuck your neighbors wife," that's such basic common sense that every society on earth has adopted, with or without religion.

If it's 40% bad it's bad to put in schools. The 60% of the things that are good, are good. I agree that the good ones don't need religion. This is a prior post I made:

I agree, but I don't think it should be in the form of religious text. Someone could supposedly say I'm being particular with semantics. And that's correct, but semantics are sometimes important.

Honor your father and mother.
Do not murder.
Do not commit adultery.
Do not steal.
Do not lie.
Do not covet.

Our laws incorporate most of these, the big ones anyway. Murder and theft. Well... sometimes.

My issue is with him going after a different guy pointing out that the "common sense" (your words, and I agree with you) is in fact good for society.

I don't think the ten commandments should be taught in school. But that guy said that most of what it says is sound advice. I don't see how someone can disagree with that. Any disagreements come in the form of trying to jump ahead of him saying that that doesn't mean it should be in schools. He wasn't saying it should be in schools.

 

[Sinister]

If it's 40% bad it's bad to put in schools. The 60% of the things that are good, are good. I agree that the good ones don't need religion. This is a prior post I made:

My issue is with him going after a different guy pointing out that the "common sense" (your words, and I agree with you) is in fact good for society.

I don't think the ten commandments should be taught in school. But that guy said that most of what it says is sound advice. I don't see how someone can disagree with that. Any disagreements come in the form of trying to jump ahead of him saying that that doesn't mean it should be in schools. He wasn't saying it should be in schools.

The main issue is likely just that the Ten Commandments are naked religious indoctrination. We can find sentiments that are agreeable in almost anything, any form of charlatanism. The Commandments BEGIN with the idea that Christianity is the ONLY true religion...which seems to be the real intended purpose. Otherwise why not post those common sense notions in a non-religious context?

Because that's not the point. The point is establishment of specifically Christian thinking. The Commandments dont project "most of these are cool"...they project "these are what's needed to be considered a good person." In totality they convey a clear message:

"You MUST be Christian and observe Christian practices, oh and then dont do any of these things that we all know are bad."

 

[fingercuffs]

The main issue is likely just that the Ten Commandments are naled religious indoctrination. We can find sentiments that are agreeable in almost anything, any form of charlatanism. The Commandments BEGIN with the idea that Christianity is the ONLY true religion...which seems to be the real intended purpose. Otherwise why not post those common sense notions in a non-religious context?

Because that's not the point. The point is establishment of specifically Christian thinking. The Commandments dont project "most of these are cool"...they project "these are what's needed to be considered a good person." In totality they convey a clear message:

"You MUST be Christian and observe Christian practices, oh and then dont do any of these things that we all know are bad."

Aside from "no one is above the law", I admire in The Constitution that everyone has the right to practice or not practice any religion. Kids shouldn't have to be forced down Christian beliefs.

 

[Sinister]

Threatening teacher jobs at this point:

 

[jk7707]

The main issue is likely just that the Ten Commandments are naked religious indoctrination. We can find sentiments that are agreeable in almost anything, any form of charlatanism. The Commandments BEGIN with the idea that Christianity is the ONLY true religion...which seems to be the real intended purpose. Otherwise why not post those common sense notions in a non-religious context?

Because that's not the point. The point is establishment of specifically Christian thinking. The Commandments dont project "most of these are cool"...they project "these are what's needed to be considered a good person." In totality they convey a clear message:

"You MUST be Christian and observe Christian practices, oh and then dont do any of these things that we all know are bad."

Bingo.

 

[djacobox372]

The 10 commandments are really a laughable joke.... Christians should be hiding them out of embarassment not trying to display them.

First 4 commandments = you must practice our one and only religion or else
Last 6 commandments = basic rules of society that preexisted the bible by 100 thousand years

What would have been more helpful is if, instead of stating the obvious and already accepted norms of the time (dont' kill, don't steal), God enacted some laws that were less obvious at the time like "thou shall not take slaves," or "thou shall not beat your wife."

 

[Sinister]

The 10 commandments are really a laughable joke.... Christians should be hiding them out of embarassment not trying to display them.

First 4 commandments = you must practice our one and only religion or else
Last 6 commandments = basic rules of society that preexisted the bible by 100 thousand years

What would have been more helpful is if, instead of stating the obvious and already accepted norms of the time (dont' kill, don't steal), God enacted some laws that were less obvious at the time like "thou shall not take slaves," or "thou shall not beat your wife."

Its typical cultist jive and Christian's hate confronting this. Every charter of every ideological group that seeks to cement itself as righteous starts out with "everyone is wrong except us" and ends with "it's all peace and love and just be good." And the exact "what's the big deal?" contention is the desired effect for those who are dubious, because it makes them tolerant. If you have tolerance, sooner or later you have acceptance. Once you have acceptance, you can start cultivating authority. Once you have authority, you can rule.

 

[fica]

Funny thing about mike johnson and other chrostians they want you to believe they live by 10 commandmants and that is why tjey want it in school but if you would to observe chdristians or christian politicans non of them follow thing they say THEY LIVE BY IT

 

[Dr Curtis Love]

Funny thing about mike johnson and other chrostians they want you to believe they live by 10 commandmants and that is why tjey want it in school but if you would to observe chdristians or christian politicans non of them follow thing they say THEY LIVE BY IT

If Jesus were to walk into Congress while it's in session, they'd call him an immigrant and try to deport him. They don't believe a damn thing about the bible or his teachings, they just know it's a good way to make some money and gain power.

 

[fica]

If Jesus were to walk into Congress while it's in session, they'd call him an immigrant and try to deport him. They don't believe a damn thing about the bible or his teachings, they just know it's a good way to make some money and gain power.

I dont care if they are making money but if they do not follow it me as not christion i do not want to look at if he is not looking it at home or in his office and living by it

 

[luckyshot]

better than Drag Queen Story Hour.

Highly debatable.

 

[Zazen]

The 10 commandments are really a laughable joke.... Christians should be hiding them out of embarassment not trying to display them.

First 4 commandments = you must practice our one and only religion or else
Last 6 commandments = basic rules of society that preexisted the bible by 100 thousand years

What would have been more helpful is if, instead of stating the obvious and already accepted norms of the time (dont' kill, don't steal), God enacted some laws that were less obvious at the time like "thou shall not take slaves," or "thou shall not beat your wife."

Reminds me of this gem when Carlin reduces the 10 commandments saying that they're mostly the same lol. Funny one, worth a watch.

 

[PEB]

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A truly amazing policy given its standings, especially on education.

 

[4daLuLZ]

better than Drag Queen Story Hour.

Telling me you’ve never read the Bible without actually telling me you’ve never read the Bible.

If they ever made the Bible into a true made for tv mini series, it’d be playing on weekend nights after 11pm and be protested against by the Save the Children Foundation by 12am.

 

[Squarechoke]

The 10 commandments are really a laughable joke.... Christians should be hiding them out of embarassment not trying to display them.

First 4 commandments = you must practice our one and only religion or else
Last 6 commandments = basic rules of society that preexisted the bible by 100 thousand years

What would have been more helpful is if, instead of stating the obvious and already accepted norms of the time (dont' kill, don't steal), God enacted some laws that were less obvious at the time like "thou shall not take slaves," or "thou shall not beat your wife."

That wouldn't make much sense since slavery and severe physical punishment for disobedience was deemed fine by the Christian god. Although I guess lack of consistency isn't exactly uncommon in the Bible as it is.