Since the root of Okinawa Karate is the white crane kung fu, do you think some of the Chinese masters were holding back on some of the techniques that were taught to the Okinawans?
The root of karate is not white crane Kung fu, or any Kung fu for that matter.Since the root of Okinawa Karate is the white crane kung fu, do you think some of the Chinese masters were holding back on some of the techniques that were taught to the Okinawans?
The root of karate is not white crane.
similarities do not equate to the root of karate.
You can see the similarities between the Okinawan karate and the white crane kung fu.
that’s ignoring the fact that Kung fu was ADDED to tegumi/muto making tegumi the root of karate.
Can find the site I was looking at earlier but here we have karate listed at 7 UFC champions.Would be interested to see your data, though.
Ok you honestly give any value to this garbage of an article? They list GSP as part of like 5 disciplines and count Anderson as TKD.Can find the site I was looking at earlier but here we have karate listed at 7 UFC champions.
https://wayofmartialarts.com/best-martial-arts-for-mma-ranked-by-a-number-of-ufc-champions/
mans considering KB is more of a type of fighting like MMA is rather than a style or art that moves karate up to #5 and we might want to look at the backgrounds of some of those kickboxers as well since so many karateka go into kickboxing
For example at least 2 of the people they list as KB as their style held Dan rankings in karate when they did KB and when entering MMA and actively trained karate during both periods. I’m not familiar with the rest so I’d have to actually look into them specifically
further inspection shows Robbie lawler also trained karate as well as TKD but the wiki doesn’t specify how longer or what ranks were achieved in either.
I’ve already pointed out the article has its issues, can you refute any of the people who I listed as having karate bases for their fighting?Ok you honestly give any value to this garbage of an article? They list GSP as part of like 5 disciplines and count Anderson as TKD.
Lol at some kata nerd trying to be condescending with me.I’ve already pointed out the article has its issues, can you refute any of the people who I listed as having karate bases for their fighting?
bas rutten
Chuck Liddell
GSP
Lyoto machida
Robbie lawler
Rose namajunes
wonderboy
Tim Sylvia
Robert Whittaker
Pat miletich
Are all karateka who have been champions in the UFC. Can you refute that statement?
also apparently Silva is a 5th degree blackbelt in TKD, and was set to try out for Brazil’s Olympic TKD team in 2015 until it was announced he wouldn’t, so what’s wrong with listing him as such?
you don’t seem too good at debating or critical thinking for that matter.
And we’re well past that generation. That generation was the bas rutten and chuck liddell generation. Besides even for that generation KB was still widely available as its own thing in the 90s and early 00s. We’re roughly 30 years past UFC1 there’s been 20+ years for people to train non-TMAs and push TMAs out of the sport completelyLol at some kata nerd trying to be condescending with me.
You don't see the issue in trying to list Lawler as a karate guy and Anderson as a TKD guy? You know that an entire generation of fighters has to start in some garbage TMA because it is all that waa available sometimes in the 90s?
And we’re well past that generation. That generation was the bas rutten and chuck liddell generation. Besides even for that generation KB was still widely available as its own thing in the 90s and early 00s. We’re roughly 30 years past UFC1 there’s been 20+ years for people to train non-TMAs now.
I really don’t get why people are so butthurt about TMAs being successful in MMA.
There’s literally hundreds of professional MMA fighters who have a karate base.
What do you know about karate to say there’s ‘no karate’ in the way he fights? Why because he doesn’t fight like a point fighter? Because he doesn’t look like the machidas or wonderboy?Ok, let's try this in a constructive way, if you want.
The problem is that I disagree with your definition of a base. I am terribly sorry, but there is HARDLY any karate in the way Lawler fights, just as an example.
There is no TKD in Anderson's game. Or maybe there is, but it is so marginal in comparison with his boxing and MT influence that you can't even mention TKD in his arsenal. Anderson fucked around with wing chun, too. Is he a wing chun fighter, now?
It is always a matter of magnitude. You cannot cherry-pick the little bit of karate in an MMA fighter's arsenal and claim that this fighter is a karateka. If the karate is not palpable in a fighter's way of fighting, you cannot mention it.
It is palbable in Machida, Wonderboy and Whittaker, ok that is granted. I know that GSP loves to larp as a karateka because it's part of his identity but let's be real here, GSP's karate influence is not big.