Ok now I'm gonna push the envelope a lil bit --- routine suggestions

Full body 7 days a week.
Vary intensity and main focus area.
???
Profit as capable athlete
 
BroScienceTalkatWork said:
I’m not a bodybuilder, I just can’t do the marquee lifts. Just trying to build enough muscle to get through the long cut I’ve post oned for years.


I know guys who cut till they’re shredded… end up getting down to like 150

Either I’m doing 2 months clean bulk, 3 month cut.. and just run that pattern over and over

Or I’m doing 3 month bulk… going all out… run a big ass cycle.. health be damned.. and then just cut cut cut. 6 months.. 8 months.. just go till I see a 6 pack
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Stop bulking and cutting.
Eat clean and exercise.
Done
 
recomp works for essentially everybody as you can even gain muscle during a cut. Programming must be optimized and a high protein diet.

If you are underweight gain weight if you are fat just cut.
 
BroScienceTalkatWork said:
Bro that's the number one way to waste time.

If you're a beginner you can get away with "gaintaining"

Not if you've put on 30 pounds of muscle already
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Cutting and bulking for no reason is the number one way to waste time.

You posted in these threads that you are your goal weight but not happy with the results. Why not just spend the time gaining the necessary muscle and then manage your calories to slowly cut down instead of what you are doing now?

All your threads are about how poorly your cuts are going. Just eat a little above your required daily calories, progress in weight without getting massively overweight and after an extended period of 6+months, drop the cals a bit and lose weight slowly without wrecking all your training metrics. If you don;t have a competition, then why bother cutting anyway?
 
maximus__ said:
Cutting and bulking for no reason is the number one way to waste time.

You posted in these threads that you are your goal weight but not happy with the results. Why not just spend the time gaining the necessary muscle and then manage your calories to slowly cut down instead of what you are doing now?

All your threads are about how poorly your cuts are going. Just eat a little above your required daily calories, progress in weight without getting massively overweight and after an extended period of 6+months, drop the cals a bit and lose weight slowly without wrecking all your training metrics. If you don;t have a competition, then why bother cutting anyway?
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I hold myself to a high standard..

I was proud of the muscle I put on and took my foot off the gas bit.. thought the TRT would fill in the gaps.

But it's all good. I actually ended up losing a little more weight.. And now I'm closer to 23% body fat.

And I'm just going to run a cycle. Probably closer to recoup then bulk.. But LET ME BE CLEAR

I'm taking steroids.

So let's not act like if you natty you gonna get real results just recomping

If you're happy with your physique and build mass over 2--3 years then sure.. It'll work. Thats what my lil bro does.

But if you're not happy with your physique.. You need to master the bulk and cut. It's your best tool.

Now the one mistake I did make is cutting extra hard AT THE EXPENSE OF SLEEP.

And the lesson that I learned is that even on a healthy dose of test.. If you aren't sleeping right, you're at a significant deficit you will lose muscle.
 
BroScienceTalkatWork said:
I hold myself to a high standard..

I was proud of the muscle I put on and took my foot off the gas bit.. thought the TRT would fill in the gaps.

But it's all good. I actually ended up losing a little more weight.. And now I'm closer to 23% body fat.

And I'm just going to run a cycle. Probably closer to recoup then bulk.. But LET ME BE CLEAR

I'm taking steroids.

So let's not act like if you natty you gonna get real results just recomping

If you're happy with your physique and build mass over 2--3 years then sure.. It'll work. Thats what my lil bro does.

But if you're not happy with your physique.. You need to master the bulk and cut. It's your best tool.

Now the one mistake I did make is cutting extra hard AT THE EXPENSE OF SLEEP.

And the lesson that I learned is that even on a healthy dose of test.. If you aren't sleeping right, you're at a significant deficit you will lose muscle.
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23% bodyfat isn't low. No wonder you aren't happy with the results. That's closer to bulking territory.

I couldn't care about my physique. I have had visible abs my entire life and never been heavier than 183lbs. If I was at 23% bodyfat I would be around your weight, no issues.

In the end it's your training, but everything you have posted on this forum points to what you are doing as not really working effectively long term.

You would be better off stabilising things for a bit, spending some time building slowly and then addressing your body fat percentage after a period of 6-12 months if it's still an issue. My guess if you move away from the cutting/bulking phases, things will start to regulate and you will have better results.
 
maximus__ said:
23% bodyfat isn't low. No wonder you aren't happy with the results. That's closer to bulking territory.

I couldn't care about my physique. I have had visible abs my entire life and never been heavier than 183lbs. If I was at 23% bodyfat I would be around your weight, no issues.

In the end it's your training, but everything you have posted on this forum points to what you are doing as not really working effectively long term.

You would be better off stabilising things for a bit, spending some time building slowly and then addressing your body fat percentage after a period of 6-12 months if it's still an issue. My guess if you move away from the cutting/bulking phases, things will start to regulate and you will have better results.
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I mean being 220 at 5’ 7 (without looking obese)was exhilarating tbh. I always felt weak growing up… so getting huge is the most exciting part for me. Not physique

I thought this place had Reddit level activity now I see like half the threads are mine. So I understand the responses

Just when I think I’m ready to be mature and cut down to a lean weight.. my insecurities kick in.. and I feel weak again.. so as soon as I get below 200 I feel like I gotta bulk

All things considered.. I lost a lot of fucking weight. The only way this ends is if I can be a lean 200. Otherwise I’m just gonna keep getting bigger and bigger. Short man complex is like that.

Anyways.. I did my job. I lost almost 30 pounds and what’s done is done. Time to get up to 225
 
vision1 said:
I'm speaking as someone who has
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Toucheman I’m not gonna deny your lived experience

I’m not natty so I tend to agree. But that’s from the standpoint of eating 100-200 surplus and letting the gear turn almost all that into muscle
 
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