Ofsted: Islamists taking over schools in the UK

[tkotom]

Your bigoted rant aside, ethnicity is a personal choice, so luckily your personal views have no bearing on how Amir Khan or any other "non ethnic stock" identifies.

You're coming off like a lunatic. Take a deep breath and relax.

His name is Khan. If his ethnicity was his choice or if he was wanting to branch away from his ethnicity he would change it to Churchill or John Pommy for a start.

You cannot erase your ancestral history and this guy isn't even trying. His name is Khan, he had an Islamic wedding, married a Pakistani and is actively involved in the Islamic community; Islamic writers, Islamic aid, etc...
Yeah, that sounds verbatim out of the ethnic English handbook.

 

[Northern]

from wiki:

"Membership of an ethnic group tends to be associated with shared cultural heritage, ancestry, history, homeland, language (dialect), or ideology, and with symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, physical appearance, etc."​

I'd say a good case could be made that he doesn't belong to the overwhelming majority of those qualifications.

I remember watching Khan's early fights and seeing all his mates at ringside waving the flag of Pakistan. Why do you think they were doing that?

I'm going out on a limb and guessing you're what the census describes as 'white british', in my experience only white western europeans get mad and sanctimonious and call others 'idiots' when they suggest that their ethnicity might only apply to, what some would call, the 'natives' and is not inclusive of everyone who happens to live there.
On the other hand, just about everyone else gets it - polls show that most minorities in england identify as 'British' but not 'English' (you can look that up on wiki too). I have first hand experience of that when a former coach of Malaysian extraction in a heated argument with a Greek guy told him that he was 'British, not English, big difference!'.
Or little things like the other week someone asked a girl in the office if she was Chinese, she said she was born in Malaysia but was Chinese ethnically (she's lived in Britain most her life AFAIK). She gets it, you don't. I wonder why?

I don't care what ethnic group Amir Khan identifies with. The argument started since MicroBrew said Amir Khan can't be considered English since he isn't of "ethnic stock". There is a difference between voluntarily identifying as British and not being allowed to claim English ethnicity solely due to having minority immigrant background.

 

[tkotom]

I don't care what ethnic group Amir Khan identifies with. The argument started since MicroBrew said Amir Khan can't be considered English since he isn't of "ethnic stock". There is a difference between voluntarily identifying as British and not being allowed to claim English ethnicity solely due to having minority immigrant background.

Irrespective of what microbrew said, he will never be ethnically English but yes, of course his nationality is English/Brit/Wherever he got his citizenship/was born.

You're arguing about nothing.

 

[irish_thug]

We cant, even if we question the OBVIOUS threat, we are labelled as "bigots" or "racists" by liberal idiots. :icon_neut

Get rid of liberals.

 

[MicroBrew]

Your bigoted rant aside, ethnicity is a personal choice, so luckily your personal views have no bearing on how Amir Khan or any other "non ethnic stock" identifies.

Ethnicity isn't just a personal choice ; you think someone can just claim to be Jewish or Native American and the opinions of the Jewish or Native American community amounting to naught? In much the same way you think someone can just state they are English and expect everyone to accept it.

You are all also soo full shit about how people identify themselves. Look at the polls done. Most White British people identify not purely as British but as English, Scottish or Welsh whereas most non White British identify as British. Now why do you think this is so; could it possibly be that people realize British is a nationality while English, Welsh and Scottish are ethnicities and as polls show White Brits prefer to identify along ethnic lines rather than just be counted as Brits.

While non-white people were keen to embrace the notion of Britain and call themselves British, the English identity is largely the preserve of white people, the paper suggests.

Some 64 per cent of white people describe themselves as solely

 

[irish_thug]

Indeed. I seem to remember a politician here in Canada not so long ago saying something along the lines that Canadians would be alright with other religious schools as well, since we have Catholic ones, and him being shocked when it turned out to be pretty much the exact opposite of that.

From what I remember, Catholic schools are part of the Ontario constitution or some such, and like most things that hold this country back, are linked to agreements made with the french population years and years ago (for similar reasons we can't make any meaningful changes to our Senate due to needing Quebec's approval).

For the record, the fact that tax money goes to promoting the catholic god sickens me.

It was John Tory, it cost him the election against McGuilty in 2007. He didn't even win his riding.

 

[MicroBrew]

You're coming off like a lunatic. Take a deep breath and relax.

His name is Khan. If his ethnicity was his choice or if he was wanting to branch away from his ethnicity he would change it to Churchill or John Pommy for a start.

You cannot erase your ancestral history and this guy isn't even trying. His name is Khan, he had an Islamic wedding, married a Pakistani and is actively involved in the Islamic community; Islamic writers, Islamic aid, etc...
Yeah, that sounds verbatim out of the ethnic English handbook.

That's the thing with all these apologists; they get bent outa shape when someone suggests a non White ethnic is not automatically English or German or Scottish etc.. but these apologists ignore that a lot of these non White ethnics do see themsevles as separate from the White ethnic mainstream.

Muslims are quite strict about maintaining their own distinct identiy and culture and generally if they marry out they require the non Muslim spouse to leave their culture behind and join the Muslim culture. Yet if someone suggested they weren't part of the maintstream White culture, people start whinging and moaning about racism. Some minorities want to have it both ways.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Wow I didn't mean to derail the thread by mentioning amir khan and the English support he received.

Another fighter that hailed from England who didn't look like your stereotypical englishman, was prince hamed...great fighter..great showman...

Brits seem to back any fighter flying the England banner...which is really cool.



Be it Frank Bruno or Lennox Lewis or Ricky hatton

 

[Muay o Muay]

Muslims are quite strict about maintaining their own distinct identiy and culture and generally if they marry out they require the non Muslim spouse to leave their culture behind and join the Muslim culture.

Thats true but also the same for any religion otherwise they are no longer muslim or Christian or whayever they are a former muslim, same with faiths that do not traditionally inter marry at all amish, Hindus etc but they dont even have the choice for a potential spouse to come into their culture.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Thats true but also the same for any religion otherwise they are no longer muslim or Christian or whayever they are a former muslim, same with faiths that do not inter marry at all Jews, Hindus etc but they dont even have the choice for a potential spouse to come into their culture.

Not to mention Amir Khan again....but he never fights during Ramadan.

Floyd Mayweather plans to fight in mid september and is looking for a prospective opponent...

Amir Khan has already said he wasn't going to fight if this was offered. (this would undoubtedly be his biggest payday)

 

[MicroBrew]

Thats true but also the same for any religion otherwise they are no longer muslim or Christian or whayever they are a former muslim, same with faiths that do not inter marry at all Jews, Hindus etc but they dont even have the choice for a potential spouse to come into their culture.

Christians are very liberal and tolerant about converting and marrying out. Unlike Muslims they (Christians) don't put pressure on the spouse to convert. Jews also marry out significantly though I don't know how assertive they are about the spouse converting.

 

[Muay o Muay]

Christians are very liberal and tolerant about converting and marrying out. Unlike Muslims they (Christians) don't put pressure on the spouse to convert. Jews also marry out significantly though I don't know how assertive they are about the spouse converting.

Depends on the initial strength of belief ie. if a person identifies as a christian or Jew or whatever but doesnt practice they are more likely to be happy to convert for love ...if they are strict with practicing their religion they are
likely to pressure theyre partner to convert or they both leave their respective religions. Its not unusual for any religion/culture etc to want to retain their identity through marriage.

 

[MicroBrew]

Depends on the initial strength of belief ie. if a person identifies as a christian or Jew or whatever but doesnt practice they are more likely to be happy to convert for love ...if they are strict with practicing their religion they are
likely to pressure theyre partner to convert or they both leave their respective religions. Its not unusual for any religion/culture etc to want to retain their identity through marriage.

Muslims are far more adverse to converting and far more insistant about the non Muslim spouse converting. Christians generally are the most easy going . The other thing is that Christian culture is the native culture of UK and the majority in the Americas, so a Muslim pressuring a Christian spouse to convert is a case of the recent immigrant expecting the established native to submit to the immigrant's culture. The same would never happen in Muslim nations.

 

[Muay o Muay]

Muslims are far more adverse to converting and far more insistant about the non Muslim spouse converting. Christians generally are the most easy going . The other thing is that Christian culture is the native culture of UK and the majority in the Americas, so a Muslim pressuring a Christian spouse to convert is a case of the recent immigrant expecting the established native to submit to the immigrant's culture. The same would never happen in Muslim nations.

True in the west we are far less religious on the whole despite being historically christian nations...i expect western Science etc has something to do with that
and means they arent going to be bothered about getting a prospective spouse to convert or will be more willing to convert themselves to make their loved one happy and play along with their beardy man in the sky.

 

[ZroC]

What's the purpose of this thread, other than to stir up more hate?

It's a significant event, as this is coming from an official government source, not some far right nut.

 

[Swiftmayhem]

the guardian and dailymail smh islamaphobic garbage

 

[Muay o Muay]

It's a significant event, as this is coming from an official government source, not some far right nut.

All that has come from a government body is that there have been allegations by a whistle blower of a plot which they are investigating, it is an event in the sense that the government are actually bothering finally to follow it up.

 

[Pecker123]

the guardian and dailymail smh islamaphobic garbage

The Mail is pretty right wing and known for being reactionary. The Guardian is the most liberal and left wing of all the national newspapers and has been accused of ignoring stories like this in the past.

You might have a point with the Mail but no way is the Guardian islamaphobic.

 

[shera]

We should consider for a second how they got all those muslims on their land to begin with. The muslim of south asia (Bangladesh, India, Pakistan) who reside there were taken as slave to work back in the UK and on ships traveling back and forth to British ruled India at the time.

So this is in many ways like Americans complaining about black people in the US. They're here because you forcibly brought them over so maybe whatever discomfort it causes is deserved.

 

[ZroC]

The Mail is pretty right wing and known for being reactionary. The Guardian is the most liberal and left wing of all the national newspapers and has been accused of ignoring stories like this in the past.

You might have a point with the Mail but no way is the Guardian islamaphobic.

It's being reported on all the major news stations in the UK. If people want to attack the source then just go to google and find your own first. There's plenty there.