Official Women's Division Discussion #26

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Don't know how anyone could have thought dobson she's litterally on the roster to take Ls.

Real easy to write this after the fact, isn't it?

For the record, I bet a modest amount on Mazo as an underdog, which partially made up for the small fortune I lost on Mazo against Moroz, but a number of excellent analysts and long-time, successful bettors I spoke with had money on Dobson, and their reasoning wasn't altogether wrong.

Mazo looked physically weak, slow, unable to defend takedowns, and unable to box with anyone close to her height against Moroz.

There were a lot of question marks around her. Deservedly so.

Dobson, for all her flaws, threw a far more competent, powerful right, whether a straight right, overhand right, or right hook, than anyone at 125 outside of Valentina Shevchenko and maybe Andrea Lee.

Nevermind that Dobson was close to beating Lauren Mueller, and a few members of the media even had her winning the fight.

It was also reasonable to believe that Dobson, with only 5 pro fights and 1.5 years since the last one, could have improved substantially. Or been able to implement a wrestling heavy gameplan.

I bet Mazo because I thought Dobson was very susceptible to kicks, refuses to pressure opponents which she would need to do, and because Mazo's jab is better and longer than Dobson's.

However, there was nothing supremely confident in my play, nor did I (and I daresay anyone) predicted Mazo to take Dobson down at will and beat the hell out of her with GNP, which was the main reason she dominated her so badly.

There was literally nothing to indicate Mazo would do so based on her last fights, where she avoids grappling and wrestling like the plague.

Everyone is a predicting savant AFTER the results are known. It's all so perfectly easy and obvious once you know what happened, and of course anyone who believed otherwise was an idiot!
 
Not much to say about Hannah vs. Jodie, I just looked at the UFC's SW roster and I don't know if there's any winnable fights left for either of them.

Mazo vs. Dobson was interesting, Sabina's ability to stay composed, adjust, and keep control of the fight will serve her well. Still needs work on head movement & punch defence, she depends too much on her reach to keep her opponents from face punching her, and Dobson had some success with that early in the 3rd. But she did make a good adjustment and used her longer reach to jab abuse Dobson and stick her back out at kicking range.

This is what I like about Mazo, making smart adjustment, in the Moroz fight she figured out how to use a long knee to keep Maryna from closing the range and punching/clinching her, then stuck her on the outside at kicking range and against Dobson she figured out another way to do the same thing. Most fighters just do whatever they were doing but harder or swing wildly for a finish when they're behind or put on the back foot, Mazo makes well thought out adjustments that work.

Needs to work on her knees though, Sabina's lifting her knees to knee instead of driving them in with her hips, it's the kneeing equivalent of arm punching where there's little power behind it. Could also use better grip transitions in the clinch to yank her opponents off balance and clear the path for knees. Overall, I think she has pretty decent potential if she can fix up her punching defence and ground game.
 
Apparently Mazo's cage weight was 145.6lb.

Eventually we should have a clearer picture of who weighs what. But that's huge.
 
If California go ahead with their cageweight sanctions then fighters will just cut to meet the 15% rule, the whole point of early weighins is to prevent fighters going into the cage dehydrated.

Maybe the commission doctors need to shoulder the responsibility of calling a dangerous cut.
 
If California go ahead with their cageweight sanctions then fighters will just cut to meet the 15% rule, the whole point of early weighins is to prevent fighters going into the cage dehydrated.

Maybe the commission doctors need to shoulder the responsibility of calling a dangerous cut.

Problem being the commission doctors are remarkably untrained in this area, like most doctors. Many commissions just assume a doctor knows something about this when the reality is that - last time I wrote on the subject - not a single medical school requires a physician to take a single course in nutrition or exercise physiology. This is fine if you show up at the ER with a steering wheel in your chest and need a trauma specialist, but there is no regulation or course that ensures physicians are particularly knowledgeable in this area. The requires in most states that I am familiar with (this is only a few) are laughable with respect to being a "sports medicine specialist."

It is really too bad as there are some very interesting sub-specialties that can be studied, but most of your knowledgeable physicians wind up working for professional teams and have little to do with athletic commissions.
 
If California go ahead with their cageweight sanctions then fighters will just cut to meet the 15% rule, the whole point of early weighins is to prevent fighters going into the cage dehydrated.

Maybe the commission doctors need to shoulder the responsibility of calling a dangerous cut.
No professional is going to make a difference.

The only person that could change things is Dana.

We have no idea if they have had this discussion in private but I'm going to go ahead and assume they did. I hate the man but any sane person in his position would even just to see what the picture of the company would look like post weight-cut ban. While the Trump admin isn't going to do shit maybe the Bernie admin, if he got in, could be lobbied to force a change federally and regulate all combat sports and make a federal ban on weight cutting a requirement to obtain a license.

It's just my opinion but it stands to reason, logically, that if you take away weight cutting you are going to have a very different sport with very different outcomes. You should in theory be fighting people more relative to your own size. Wrestling/grappling skill and TDD will become more obvious in terms of being good/bad since the weight won't be there to help. Weight classes will probably get adjusted up 10lb as a result or they will simply move people up. More liquid around the brain should reduce the chance of injury there.

In such a case we would very likely see more stalemates since weight no longer plays a factor for or against anybody. Less KDs, TKOs, KOs since it will be harder to get them. That means you will have a very healthy increase in decisions.

Having said this there would also be more cardio available for fighters so they wouldn't have to be so conservative with it. Fighters will have more durability overall allowing them to have a longer prime where they can provide entertainment at a higher level.

These can offset the number of decisions on a card or at the very least give us a ton more active/fun fights. Some of the best fights in the UFC didn't end in a finish.

I see zero incentive for Dana & Co. to do anything about this as they will rightly assume it could hurt their bottom line and what positives I listed will be largely ignored over the potential negatives. These people live in a bubble where every position they take must have virtually everything to their advantage before they act or at least assume that exists.
 
Favorite fight this week was Stamp Fairtex over Asha Roka, for One. Was rooting for Roka as she's from a boxing background, was kind of repping India & was the underdog. Dominant victory by Stamp, who is entertaining both in and out of the ring. I'll root for Stamp next time.

UFC bouts were one-sided affairs. Cifers over Esquibel (who practiced aerobic shadow boxing). Not sure Cifers will go super far. Her lack of pretension though is quite refreshing. Sabina Mazo gets 'performance of the week' - continues improving, using legs and feet to keep distance & as a colleague above said (haha) she made good adjustments during the fight. More well-rounded versus a listless Dobson. Mazo I think has strong upside - look forward to her continued improvements and success.

Rizin's always enjoyable for me. Hamasaki made short work of Boonsorn. Kanna Asakura won the split decision over Alesha Zappitella. I agreed with the judges because I felt Asakura landed the more effective strikes, particularly to the body. Her ringsmanship (if that's the right term lol) and overall confidence & patience has improved. Ai Shimizu over Watkins was pretty crazy. Phantom tap not seen by ref. Followed later by whacky reversals and ultimately the unanimous decision for Princess Bee.
 
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Weili Zhang & Rose's management signed 3-0 Russian bantamweight Irina Alekseeva.
 
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Real easy to write this after the fact, isn't it?

For the record, I bet a modest amount on Mazo as an underdog, which partially made up for the small fortune I lost on Mazo against Moroz, but a number of excellent analysts and long-time, successful bettors I spoke with had money on Dobson, and their reasoning wasn't altogether wrong.

Mazo looked physically weak, slow, unable to defend takedowns, and unable to box with anyone close to her height against Moroz.

There were a lot of question marks around her. Deservedly so.

Dobson, for all her flaws, threw a far more competent, powerful right, whether a straight right, overhand right, or right hook, than anyone at 125 outside of Valentina Shevchenko and maybe Andrea Lee.

Nevermind that Dobson was close to beating Lauren Mueller, and a few members of the media even had her winning the fight.

It was also reasonable to believe that Dobson, with only 5 pro fights and 1.5 years since the last one, could have improved substantially. Or been able to implement a wrestling heavy gameplan.

I bet Mazo because I thought Dobson was very susceptible to kicks, refuses to pressure opponents which she would need to do, and because Mazo's jab is better and longer than Dobson's.

However, there was nothing supremely confident in my play, nor did I (and I daresay anyone) predicted Mazo to take Dobson down at will and beat the hell out of her with GNP, which was the main reason she dominated her so badly.

There was literally nothing to indicate Mazo would do so based on her last fights, where she avoids grappling and wrestling like the plague.

Everyone is a predicting savant AFTER the results are known. It's all so perfectly easy and obvious once you know what happened, and of course anyone who believed otherwise was an idiot!
Feel free to scroll back the 30pgs or so to where this fight was announced and my comment was something like "ufc must be high on Mazo trying to gift her a win in dobson"
So you can take your after the fact rant and shove it.
 
Feel free to scroll back the 30pgs or so to where this fight was announced and my comment was something like "ufc must be high on Mazo trying to gift her a win in dobson"
So you can take your after the fact rant and shove it.

No one gives a shit that you predicted a single fight correctly with moronic/non-existent reasoning, spaz. Go and smash your football helmet against the wall to celebrate if you want.

What was ridiculous in your original post is that you chortled down your nose at those who felt Dobson had a decent chance. People who have forgotten far more about MMA than you will ever know.

Thus, I sought to convey to those with the normal number of chromosomes (which disqualifies you, sadly) the underlying complexity of predicting fights, even those that end up one-sided.
 
the ignore function on this board is such a blessing (and highly underused i suspect)
 
the ignore function on this board is such a blessing (and highly underused i suspect)
It’s amazing, and when used correctly, makes for a greater forum experience. For example, someone like DarkNet, who never adds to a conversation and just a constant troll? Ignored. Now I don’t have to read his trolling anymore. NatesBlackShirt? All of his threads are troll threads. Now I don’t worry about them. PolarBearPaulVarelens? Never contribu, just wants to tell everyone how superior his opinion is. Not worth it.

What’s really funny is when you see two people who somehow know they have each other on ignore, yet always know when the other is posting about the other.:rolleyes:
 
It’s amazing, and when used correctly, makes for a greater forum experience. For example, someone like DarkNet, who never adds to a conversation and just a constant troll? Ignored. Now I don’t have to read his trolling anymore. NatesBlackShirt? All of his threads are troll threads. Now I don’t worry about them. PolarBearPaulVarelens? Never contribu, just wants to tell everyone how superior his opinion is. Not worth it.

What’s really funny is when you see two people who somehow know they have each other on ignore, yet always know when the other is posting about the other.:rolleyes:

At first I was guilty of occasionally clicking on the "show ignored content" but given that some people screw up the same conversations the same way, I got over it quick.
 
At first I was guilty of occasionally clicking on the "show ignored content" but given that some people screw up the same conversations the same way, I got over it quick.
I'll do it every once in a while to see who someone is arguing with, and sometimes I'll warn a person to just ignore them, but most times I shake my head.
 
Don't know how anyone could have thought dobson she's litterally on the roster to take Ls.
Was impressed how much Mazo styled on her tho. Maybe the ufc swaps her and Macedo last oponents to get them both on win streaks.
Hannah got her win but it wasn't overly impressive if not for esquibal horrible gnp and ref standups she'd have lost 2 rounds.

Edit anyone know why Mayra Silva isn't fighting? I thought maybe I missed it but I was just looking she hasn't been around since her impressive stoppage of Robertson last September.
Bueno Silva injured her knee (ACL, i believe) in the fight against Gillian Robertson. which means up to 9 months of time off.
i guess she's still in the process of getting into training again
 
At first I was guilty of occasionally clicking on the "show ignored content" but given that some people screw up the same conversations the same way, I got over it quick.
yeah there are some people in here who's very angry at the world and everyone in it. it's entertaining to watch in small portions, but it gets annoying after a while
 
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