Odd that both Anderson and Izzy got taken out by guys that weren't Elite but Jack-Of-All Trades?

Combat Wombatt said:
Granted Izzy didn't get finished but both Anderson and Izzy had their first losses in the UFC to guys who weren't elite at anything such as an elite striker like Cro Cop, elite ground specialist Werdum, or elite wrestler like DC. Izzy and Anderson were both lethal strikers and more 2 to 1 dimensional than well-rounded. I always thought Anderson's ground game was over-rated but he relied on people thinking he was deadly on the ground until Chael Sonnen sat in his guard for nearly 5 rounds without getting submitted.

They lost to guys who were Jack-of-All Trades, Masters of None (basically "All-Arounders")with great cardio.

Both Jan Błachowicz and Chris Weidman were good wrestlers but neither was a great wrestler such as Cormier or other highly credentialed wrestlers.

And those fighters used their average to slightly above average all-around skills to win the fight. They were well-rounded but not lethal in any area. They weren't KO or Submission artists (before anyone says anything although they have KO's and submissions in their record they weren't proven elite KO strikers like Cro Cop or submission experts like Big Nog). The exact opposite would be Fedor who was lethal in all aspects of MMA with KO power in his hands, great wrestling/Sambo, and a deadly ground game and great cardio.


A lot of people said the fighter to beat Anderson would be a good wrestler with decent striking and they weren't wrong.


Prove me wrong........
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Whats a shame is comparing old worn out goat vs a young prime izzy

Anderson was well past his due date when he lost finally and he never made changes he kept fighting like he did when hes in his early 30s and late 20s not realizing howmuch hes slowed down and shrivled up

Izzy lost to a better fighter... Well rounded had nothing to do with it izzy lost on the feet then on the ground so where was he gonna win...
 
First off , it was just Anderson's time and Chris, at the moment, was " elite".

Israel went up in weight , fought at his regular cage walk weight, and found out that Jan- right now- is " elite " as well.

Dana put together a fight that shouldve never happened ( not yet) and it backfired on him. Israel is now beatable and Jan still isnt getting the proper respect put on his name.

The 2 scenarios are quite different anyway.
 
Dreyga2000 said:
You didn’t do your research. Jan Blachowics is an elite striker and a specialist. He was a IFMA World Muaythai Champion before he joined the UFC.

And Chris Weideman win a gold medal at ADCC Submission Wrestling World Championship. He is also an elite specialist
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he won the European trials to get in but lost his first match to Galvao
 
You lost me when you said Weidman's wrestling wasn't elite.
Weidman's style relies heavily on his wrestling. He's "the all american" ffs. He uses his wrestling so much, he spent the majority of the fight against Olympic wrestler Romero trying to take him down and out wrestle him
 
DC is an elite wrestler?

Move this thread to the wasteland because a skinny bones Jones dominated him in all aspects and wrestling including and made it look EFFORTLESS.
 
Different circumstances really- Izzy lost because he fought a much bigger guy with top-notch overall skill and ability in MMA.

Anderson was not in his prime like Izzy, and was fighting a guy of similar size.
 
Satan's Daddy. said:
DC is an elite wrestler?

Move this thread to the wasteland because a skinny bones Jones dominated him in all aspects and wrestling including and made it look EFFORTLESS.
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Kind of hard to be more elite than the Olympics isn't it?
 
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It becomes man vs man

someone who should lose on paper can simply get off first and take a huge lead.

Look at Diego vs Paulo Thiago. On paper no way Diego wins that fight. But Diego's insanity and unwavering persistance got to Paulo and once he got put in that hole he couldnt dig himself out.
 
Satan's Daddy. said:
DC is an elite wrestler?

Move this thread to the wasteland because a skinny bones Jones dominated him in all aspects and wrestling including and made it look EFFORTLESS.
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holy shit you should delete this before someone sees. TOO LATE
 
WuDi said:
Izzy got dominated on the feet, if Jan is not an elite striker than what does that make Izzy? A glorified calf kicker?
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Come on dude, stop with that "Dominated" thing, I think it's been overused these days.
Jan was just ahead 3-5 punches against Izy on the first 3 rounds
 
Combat Wombatt said:
Granted Izzy didn't get finished but both Anderson and Izzy had their first losses in the UFC to guys who weren't elite at anything such as an elite striker like Cro Cop, elite ground specialist Werdum, or elite wrestler like DC. Izzy and Anderson were both lethal strikers and more 2 to 1 dimensional than well-rounded. I always thought Anderson's ground game was over-rated but he relied on people thinking he was deadly on the ground until Chael Sonnen sat in his guard for nearly 5 rounds without getting submitted.

They lost to guys who were Jack-of-All Trades, Masters of None (basically "All-Arounders")with great cardio.

Both Jan Błachowicz and Chris Weidman were good wrestlers but neither was a great wrestler such as Cormier or other highly credentialed wrestlers.

And those fighters used their average to slightly above average all-around skills to win the fight. They were well-rounded but not lethal in any area. They weren't KO or Submission artists (before anyone says anything although they have KO's and submissions in their record they weren't proven elite KO strikers like Cro Cop or submission experts like Big Nog). The exact opposite would be Fedor who was lethal in all aspects of MMA with KO power in his hands, great wrestling/Sambo, and a deadly ground game and great cardio.


A lot of people said the fighter to beat Anderson would be a good wrestler with decent striking and they weren't wrong.


Prove me wrong........
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God your threads are dumb.
 
To Izzy's credit, he did get taken out by a guy in a weight class above
 
Jan is elite at striking. His reaction time and reflexes are very fast
 
KID Yamamoto said:
Weidman is 100% a pure wrestler with OK boxing at best. His jiu jitsu is solid but that should be a given for most wrestlers in MMA. Weidman a jack of all trades? Really? I'd consider someone like Rory Macdonald actually well rounded in comparison.
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Weidman knocked out Hall, and Anderson standing, and made it to the quarter finals at ADCC after winning the North American championships. The years have clearly not been kind to him, but he was a multi-fasceted monster in his heyday. If anything he was pretty close to master of 2 and highly skilled in a 3rd.

Rory is well rounded in that he has an even number of wins by sub, T/KO, and decision. They may be more balanced by count, but he's not as good at any of those skills as Weidman was at all of them at his peak. He's definitely more the jack of all.
 
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LMAO. Izzy is not comparable to Anderson in any way. Anderson moved up to lhw and ktfo 205ers. Izzy failed and would keep on failing because he just doesn’t hit hard enough. Israel has a better takedown defense but not by a long shot. Had he fought trt Sonnen, trt Hendo, DC and prime Chris... he would have never gotten up. He is lucky that there are no wresslers at mw.

Last but not least, Anderson had great BJJ. He could submit your ass from his back. Izzy’s bjj is nonexistant. He truly is as one dimensional as it gets.

Say whatever you want, but prime Anderson would have stiffened Jan in brutal fashion. He toyed with Forest, the same forest who beat Page, Shogun and held his own against Rashad.
 
2012-14 Weidman was absolutely an elite fighters before injuries ruined him. Jan right now prolly is too

Counter strikers who arent good wrestlers or top level grapplers (Anderson was good tho) tend to be more vulnerable
 
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