Objectively, Usman >> Khabib in all-time rankings.

They essentially have identical records and accomplishments. Objectively they're about equal.
They don’t have identical records, Khabib is undefeated, Usman isn’t, end of story.
 
Usman is great. But the WW division sucks. Its just Usman and Colby and rest are failed LWs and journeymen. The Twood decision win seems less impressive now given how the rest of his fights played out.

hard to be high on the goat list if your division is trash. just how it is. usman has no control over that.

Usman will need to top GSPs run of title defenses to be placed above khabib.
 
Irrelevant, Masvidal is a journeyman. He got a profile boost by beating Ben Askren (lol) and Nate Diaz, another journeyman. Usman beating Masvidal twice is what he should’ve done, Masvidal was never in his league.
It says a lot that Masvidal - a journeyman - beat the guy Khabib won the belt of.
 
Khabib is top 3 GOAT because of who he beat and how he beat them

Usman has faced multiple journeymen in his title fights and got dropped by one of them

Also, Usman has never faced a "bad matchup", that is bullshit. There isn't anyone like Whittaker or Aldo at welterweight
Sorry, but your point is beyond asinine.
Aldo or Whittaker are not LW's and didn't face Khabib, so what the hell are you talking about?

If anything Khabib faced DP & Gaethje and the undeserving Conor.
Usman (at least) defended against Burns, Masvidal & Colby. - advantage Usman.

Khabib got his belt by fighting AI
Usman had to beat Woodley. - advantage Usman.

Other good wins:
Usman beat RDA, Maia and Leon.
Khabib beat RDA, Barboza and who??? Tibau?? (if you want to count it as a victory)??

At the end of the day, they are very simmilar, with the difference that Usman is still active, Khabib left.

Perhaps, if Khabib was to remain active, he would still be ahead of Usman, but that's mainly because he beat Conor which (if you want to be fair), is no indication of being anything other than popular.
WHat Khabib did is amazing, but it is obvious that it is only amplified because of Conor. And that is not an indication on how good (or bad) Khabib is.


And if I am perfectly honest, I had never thought Usman to be equal or ahead of Khabib, exactly because as (I assume) same as with everyone else, we got sucked too close into this narrative about Khabib and didn't notice it was because of his rivalry with Conor..
 
Lol at comparing getting choked out in the first round by a jobber who never made it to a major promotion to winning a 30-27 against a guy juiced to the gills with a 9-4 UFC record.

Khabib was far more dominant against better guys.
 
Usman and Izzy both have records that are just as good as Khabib's....

Izzy is like a fight or 2 away from unquestionably being ahead of Khabib.

Poirier's LW resume is probably as good as Khabib's lol

Dude doesn't have the quantity of quality wins. That's just a fact.
 
It says a lot that Masvidal - a journeyman - beat the guy Khabib won the belt of.

Huh?? He lost to that guy, and you're acting like Iaquinta beat Khabib or gave him trouble. Khabib dominated Iaquinta, it was one of the most lopsided title fights in UFC history. Also, Khabib beat the guy who had the belt (Conor). It's not his fault Conor was too much of a pussy to defend his belt.
 
Usman should've faced an 0-4 guy in his 2nd pro fight just like Khabib, then he would be undefeated.
Usman is doing multiple title defenses against guys that don't even deserve to fight for the title in the first place (Masvidal), talk about padding the record.
 
Khabib has never in his life been in trouble or even cut. His level of dominance is on a completely different level compared to usman.
 
I’ve been saying this years. Usman should be considered one of GOATS but haters are too emotional to accept facts View attachment 870240
usman is one of the goats. But he's had the weakest competition second only to DJ. Not his fault. He fights who's in front of him. Both things can be true.
 
Khabib left with money( legacy) still on the table. I think khabib couldve went on to be goat ..... and as a career clean fighter but we'll never know( as dominant as he looked ).
The only knock on Usman( which isnt a knock & not his fault) is that the 170 division is miserable .There isn't anyone with the combination of style & size that I can see that gives Usman any problems.
He also looks to be better with his recent announcement.... which speaks volumes .

Great GREAT things come from the smallest of beginnings( usman) . I'd like to see Usman fight a relevant middle and the timing is right cause outside 2 guys, the 185 division is shite.

They're both great .
 
Usman is great. But the WW division sucks. Its just Usman and Colby and rest are failed LWs and journeymen. The Twood decision win seems less impressive now given how the rest of his fights played out.

hard to be high on the goat list if your division is trash. just how it is. usman has no control over that.

Usman will need to top GSPs run of title defenses to be placed above khabib.

How do you claim Usman needs to top GSPs run of title defenses to be placed above Khabib when Khabib never topped GSPs title defenses or run. Khabib has a total of 3 title defenses and has only fought 13 fighters who you could actually rank anywhere in his entire 30-0 career, so how does that equate to GSPs title run.

So how would Usman need a criteria that Khabib himself is no where near to get to Khabib. You also do know that Conor and Porier are both former Featherweights. Poirier being a featherweight that has never touched the divisions Championship strap. Khabib was also a WW for years who cut to LW after his UFC debut.

Khabib missed all the top wrestlers at WW, but it was a great career decision. And when his team and father asked Khabib to move up to WW, his original fighting weight outside of the UFC, he declined. Khabib was a world class grappler in a division full of strikers at LW but at WW, he would have had to contend with other big and strong wrestlers who could neutralize his grappling.

You saw this in the Tibau fight when Khabib could not take Tibau down, he had the hardest fight of his life. Many thought he lost but I thought it was a good fight. It showcased that if Khabib could not impose his wrestling, he was fucked and had to fight hard to win.
 
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For some reason they're not mentioned in the same vicinity, but when you look at it objectively they should be closely ranked/rated.

Khabib: 13-0, 4-0 title fights, 8 years Total UFC record of Khabib's opponents when facing him: 89-33-1 (2) [71.2% win rate] . Total UFC record of opponents after facing Khabib: 37-40 (1) [47.44% win rate]
Usman: 14-0, 5-0 title fights, 6 years Total UFC record of Usman's opponents when facing him: 110-31-2 [76.92% win rate] . Total UFC record of opponents after facing Usman: 28-21 (1) [56% win rate]
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Because they didn't rob Usman's title shot and they didn't made him wait for 2 years for a deserved title shot?

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...e-it-to-conor-instead.4194685/#post-165460633

Khabib explains how UFC robbed him from a title shot in 2016, and gave it to Conor instead

Whenever a Khabib hater talk about title defenses, it's really easy to debunk this. They want to forget the fact that Khabib is a special case due to UFC's Conor favoritism in the LW division.

Khabib was far more dominant than Usman in his career, Usman lost many rounds against his opponents, got KD, hurt badly etc, and he isn't nearly as dominant as Khabib.

...but this happened around the same time as this fight, a fight Khabib realistically should have lost.

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All in all, they're both generational talents, but I'm tired of seeing them rated differently as if they're not in the same league. As Usman continues to merk people I think this narrative will become more popular.

- Tibau was bleeding, Khabib was not, Khabib did more damage.
- Tibau was controlled by Khabib over 4 minutes, Khabib wasn't even controlled by Tibau more than 20 seconds.
- Tibau was fighting defensively by running away most of the time , while Khabib was controlling the octagon, far more aggressive and pushing the pace all the time.

Whoever says Tibau won against Khabib, either a Khabib hater who doesn't understand how to score a fight, or simply didn't watch the fight.
 
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Usman is doing multiple title defenses against guys that don't even deserve to fight for the title in the first place (Masvidal), talk about padding the record.
Till and Askren were relevant wins at the time. Masvidal got a rematch because he's a draw and saved the UFC's ass for the first Fight Island event. It's an anomaly, no need to act like that's the case for every Usman defence.

Usman is about to fight Colby again, and will likely face Leon next. Both of them deserve title shots for different reasons. Khabib refused to give Oliveira a shot and acted like he was too good to give Dustin a rematch, despite Dustin having a better resume.

Either way, padding your record with title defences is better than what Khabib did up to 16-0.
 
nah but they're pretty close. Usman really only needs one more big win and I'd say he can at least credibly be argued at Khabib's level.
 
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