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Objectively, Usman >> Khabib in all-time rankings.

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by Azyy, Jul 26, 2021.

  1. Azyy !!!

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    For some reason they're not mentioned in the same vicinity, but when you look at it objectively they should be closely ranked/rated.

    Khabib: 13-0, 4-0 title fights, 8 years Total UFC record of Khabib's opponents when facing him: 89-33-1 (2) [71.2% win rate] . Total UFC record of opponents after facing Khabib: 37-40 (1) [47.44% win rate]
    Usman: 14-0, 5-0 title fights, 6 years Total UFC record of Usman's opponents when facing him: 110-31-2 [76.92% win rate] . Total UFC record of opponents after facing Usman: 28-21 (1) [56% win rate]

    In fact, there's a solid case Usman should be ranked ahead of him. Usman:
    • actually beat the champ (x4 defending) to become the champ, whereas Khabib beat #11 Iaquinta.
    • is the more active fighter and champion. Khabib had 2 interim champs in his reign.
    • has faced a wider range of skillsets, including bad matchups.
    • didn't retire in his prime and is doing rematches.
    • has never missed weight or been suspended.
    Some say Khabib beat 3 top P4P fighters in a row, but this is disingenuous. Justin and Conor's P4P rankings were extremely inflated. Usman may not be as dominant as him, but he's dominant enough in his own right.

    You can bring up Usman's submission loss to Caceres...

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    ...but this happened around the same time as this fight, a fight Khabib realistically should have lost.

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    All in all, they're both generational talents, but I'm tired of seeing them rated differently as if they're not in the same league. As Usman continues to merk people I think this narrative will become more popular.
     
  2. Taric Gold Belt

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    They essentially have identical records and accomplishments. Objectively they're about equal.
     
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  3. Peli Silver Belt

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    This thread is going to be a 10-pager. Congrats.
     
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  4. blastoff Banned Banned

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    Khabib is top 3 GOAT because of who he beat and how he beat them

    Usman has faced multiple journeymen in his title fights and got dropped by one of them

    Also, Usman has never faced a "bad matchup", that is bullshit. There isn't anyone like Whittaker or Aldo at welterweight
     
  5. Kvothe_the_kingkiller Brown Belt

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    Shrug. If it's true, he'll win a few more and prove it. If he doesn't, in hindsite folks will look back and probably decide it's not true even now (with the same hindsite perspective you're allowing yourself to review Khabib's career after it ended).
     
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    I’ve been saying this years. Usman should be considered one of GOATS but haters are too emotional to accept facts 27C2CB7D-B650-4E70-BFD5-61E765D82B14.jpeg
     
  7. alex21cms Brown Belt

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    usman is better everywere i d like to see khabib stand up with justin or conor
     
  8. Fatback96 Black Belt

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    I think the reason there’s an actual argument for Khabib is because of his competition level and how he beat said competition. It’s almost shocking to see how dominantly he beat his competition in arguably the hardest weight class in the UFC.
     
  9. blastoff Banned Banned

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    Usman's ground game is nothing compared to Khabib's

    Lay and pray + clinch stalling vs GOAT G&P, guard passing, and submissions

    Khabib is also more durable

    Even Justin said Khabib was better than Usman
     
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  10. Get To Da Choppa Black Belt

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    Khabib >>> Usman on hairline, and that's the Sherdog GOAT measuring stick

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  11. AlanGregson Purple Belt

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    He stood up with conor in the third round and dropped him in the second, he also stood up virtually the entire first round with justin
     
  12. Yoyrface8me Yellow Belt

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    No
     
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  13. Azyy !!!

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    Nice cope. Khabib faced Iaquinta for the title, that alone says enough. That's just as bad as Usman beating Neil Magny for the strap. He then defended against Conor (1-3) and Justin (5-3). It goes both ways.

    And Burns is an awful matchup for Usman. Khabib just so happened to never fight any of the grapplers in his division.
     
  14. Moro Brown Belt

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    Khabib already dropped Conor and exposed Conor's overrated standup.
     
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  15. The Chosen Red Belt

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    The “actually beat the champ” argument is fallacious, he soon after beat the previous undisputed champion in Conor
     
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    jon jones is goat!
     
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  17. GreatSaintGuillotine You may not like what I say but it's the truth.

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    I think Khabib fought the better guys. Usman has fought a lot of LWs in his WW career, 3 of which being in his title defenses. I think he will pass him up inevitably but Khabib is higher for now.

    Also I'm positive those numbers are wrong
     
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    You actually backed it up with stats, stats that matter no less.

    Also Khabib has a hell of a chin, a knee from a roided out Gleison, especially with him holding khabib's head for more force, and didn't even rock him. Khabib honestly does have a neanderthal esque chin.
     
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  19. Goatenstein Black Belt

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    Usman has beat three 155ers in a row. Lesser 155ers than Khabib easily dominated.
     
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  20. Azyy !!!

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    Therefore you admit Khabib only has 2 title defences, as he only really became the champ after beating Conor. So Usman has double the number of defences as Khabib.
     
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