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Sorry this is going to be a long post where I will go through his quotes on Islam and Christianity.

1st all Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God and he was crucified for our sins and he was resurrected, and that Jesus offers redemption for all who have faith in Him. This last part means you have faith in Jesus you go to heaven, and if you don't you don't.

I can go into a whole lot of scripture to prove my statement, but lets just accept this basic belief you need to be a real Christian. I do not care about historical fact or what he looked like and etc.

Obama claims to be a christian but by his very words I will prove this is not true. I am not saying he is a muslim either, but he does seem to have kinder words for them.

Then after this, I will comment on his little quotes on religion
8. “If all it took was someone proclaiming I believe Jesus Christ and that he died for my sins, and that was all there was to it, people wouldn’t have to keep coming to church, would they.”

9. “This is something that I’m sure I’d have serious debates with my fellow Christians about. I think that the difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and prostelytize. There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they’re going to hell.”

10. “I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell. I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity. That’s just not part of my religious makeup.”

11. “I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing.”

12. “I’ve said this before, and I know this raises questions in the minds of some evangelicals. I do not believe that my mother, who never formally embraced Christianity as far as I know … I do not believe she went to hell.”

These are the words of someone who is not a christian

&&&

Obama’s quotes on Islam:

1. “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam”
^ yes, Obama under punishment of death
Muhammad declared that there shall be no punishment for murdering anyone who disparages, abuses or insults him (tashtimu, sabb al rasool),[4]

Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib: A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.
— Sunan Abu Dawood, 38:4349 see also Sunan Abu Dawood, 38:4348

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting



2. “The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer”
Why pray? A christian or a jew would take their punishment for them
Sahih Muslim 6668—Allah’s Messenger [said]: There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with as heavy sins as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them and He would place in their stead the Jews and the Christians.


3. “We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country.”
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4. “As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam.”
Nalanda University complex (the most renowned repository of Buddhist knowledge in the world at the time) was sacked by Turkic Muslim invaders under the perpetrator; this event is seen as a milestone in the decline of Buddhism in India


5. “Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance.”
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/27/asia/pakistan-lahore-deadly-blast/

6. “Islam has always been part of America”
-
how many founding fathers were muslim?

7. “we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities”
-

right in a no go zone, right?
where are those christian no go zones???

8. “These rituals remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings.”
- quran 9:21 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection [Quran 9:29]


9. “America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.”
- sura 8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.8:67. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.


10. “I made it clear that America is not – and will never be – at war with Islam.”
- did they get the memo?
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11. “Islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism – it is an important part of promoting peace.”
- go on
http://www.timesofisrael.com/450-of...n-2015-were-by-muslim-extremists-study-shows/


12. “So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed”

13. “In ancient times and in our times, Muslim communities have been at the forefront of innovation and education.”
Giving proof of the resentment that men belonging to an inferior civilization feel upon encountering a superior civilization of individuals with a more refined culture, Islamic invaders from Arabia and western Asia broke and burned everything beautiful they came across in Hindustan. So morally degenerate were the Muslim Sultans that, rather than attract Hindu "infidels" to Islam through force of personal example and exhortation, they just built a number of mosques at the sites of torn down temples-and foolishly pretended they had triumphed over the minds and culture of the Hindus. "

14. “Throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.”
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran)


15. “Ramadan is a celebration of a faith known for great diversity and racial equality”
Monzur Rahman was left with a broken arm, damaged eye and lying unconscious in the street after the violent attack earlier this month.
The 39-year-old atheist claims he was brutally set upon by a pack of youths for failing to observe Ramadan.


16. “The Holy Koran tells us, ‘O mankind! We have created you male and a female; and we have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another.’”
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

17. “I look forward to hosting an Iftar dinner celebrating Ramadan here at the White House later this week, and wish you a blessed month.”
A 2014 study in Algeria revealed a staggering 220 percent increase in petty crime during Ramadhan. Fights, disputes and assaults rise by 320 percent, domestic violence by 120 percent, various accidents by 410 percent and deaths by 80 percent. The findings of the Algerian study are said to be widely corroborated, from Egypt to Indonesia. On the other hand, in some areas in countries like Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Iran, crime rates decreased during Ramadhan. - See more at: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/...-or-usual-hypocrisy.html#sthash.AqwEviSc.dpuf

party time

18. “We’ve seen those results in generations of Muslim immigrants – farmers and factory workers, helping to lay the railroads and build our cities, the Muslim innovators who helped build some of our highest skyscrapers and who helped unlock the secrets of our universe.”
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19. “That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn’t. And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.”
Brussels attacks: Zaventem and Maelbeek bombs kill many

20. “I also know that Islam has always been a part of America’s story.”
In 1921, Sunni, Shiite and Ahmadi Muslims in Detroit celebrated the opening of perhaps the first purpose-built mosque in the nation

Now, let’s compare those quotes to what he has said about Christianity:

1. “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation”
what fuckface???
Eighty-three percent of Americans identify themselves as Christians. Most of the rest, 13 percent, have no religion. That leaves just 4 percent as adherents of all non-Christian religions combined — Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and a smattering of individual mentions.

2. “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation.”
- see above


3. “Which passages of scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is OK and that eating shellfish is an abomination? Or we could go with Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith?”
which did this fellow follow?
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4. “Even those who claim the Bible’s inerrancy make distinctions between Scriptural edicts, sensing that some passages – the Ten Commandments, say, or a belief in Christ’s divinity – are central to Christian faith, while others are more culturally specific and may be modified to accommodate modern life.”
"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." - Jesus

5. “The American people intuitively understand this, which is why the majority of Catholics practice birth control and some of those opposed to gay marriage nevertheless are opposed to a Constitutional amendment to ban it. Religious leadership need not accept such wisdom in counseling their flocks, but they should recognize this wisdom in their politics.”

Marriage between a man and a woman was instituted by God with Adam and Eve. Genesis 2:24 states: "Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh."

In Matthew 19:4-5, Jesus reaffirms this: "He answered, ‘Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one’?"

6. From Obama’s book, The Audacity of Hope: “I am not willing to have the state deny American citizens a civil union that confers equivalent rights on such basic matters as hospital visitation or health insurance coverage simply because the people they love are of the same sex—nor am I willing to accept a reading of the Bible that considers an obscure line in Romans to be more defining of Christianity than the Sermon on the Mount.”
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5-7&version=ESV
nothing permitting gay marriage here
also, Romans is written by Paul who wrote quite a bit of the new testament, but lets ignore what he says


7. Obama’s response when asked what his definition of sin is: “Being out of alignment with my values.”
- jeremiah 16:20 "Do people make their own gods? Yes, but they are not gods!"

8. “If all it took was someone proclaiming I believe Jesus Christ and that he died for my sins, and that was all there was to it, people wouldn’t have to keep coming to church, would they.”
- so all christians want to do is get a ticket to heaven and then give up?
John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life."

9. “This is something that I’m sure I’d have serious debates with my fellow Christians about. I think that the difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and prostelytize. There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they’re going to hell.”

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life."

10. “I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell. I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity. That’s just not part of my religious makeup.”

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life."


11. “I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing.”
John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life."

12. “I’ve said this before, and I know this raises questions in the minds of some evangelicals. I do not believe that my mother, who never formally embraced Christianity as far as I know … I do not believe she went to hell.”
John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life."


13. “Those opposed to abortion cannot simply invoke God’s will–they have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths.”
- Exodus 20:13 You shall not murder.


14. On his support for civil unions for gay couples: “If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount.”
- For this reason [idolatry] God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for even their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise also the males, having left the natural use of the female, were inflamed by their lust for one another, males with males, committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error. - romans

King James Version (1611): "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind" 1 corinthians

We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine. - 1 timothy

15. “You got into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
???


16. “In our household, the Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology”

The First Commandment is recorded in Exodus 20:3: “You shall have no other gods before Me.” It tells us to put God first.

17. “On Easter or Christmas Day, my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites.”

could be worse, she could have taken you to a church in pakistan

18. “We have Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, and their own path to grace is one that we have to revere and respect as much as our own”

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life."

19. “All of us have a responsibility to work for the day when the mothers of Israelis and Palestinians can see their children grow up without fear; when the Holy Land of the three great faiths is the place of peace that God intended it to be; when Jerusalem is a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims, and a place for all of the children of Abraham to mingle peacefully together as in the story of Isra— (applause) — as in the story of Isra, when Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, peace be upon them, joined in prayer. (Applause.)”

- surah 5:51 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends: They are but friends to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

20. “I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.”

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life."

 
Not reading all that.

Seriously, it's 2016 and people still get all up in arms if someone doesn't believe in their version of an invisible sky wizard.
 
He's not, and neither is Trump, Bernie, Cruz or Hillary.

And guess what? It doesnt matter.
 
Politicians pretend to respect god in order to get votes but they honestly don't care
 
Not reading all that.

Seriously, it's 2016 and people still get all up in arms if someone doesn't believe in their version of an invisible sky wizard.

All you had to do was read the first sentence where I say I will prove my topic statement true. The rest was just going on.

It is not believing in a sky wizard, which who cares, but is is about being a fraud and claiming a religion you are not.

"people still get all up in arms if someone doesn't believe in their version of an invisible sky wizard"
- charlie hebdo
- brussles
- 9/11

He's not, and neither is Trump, Bernie, Cruz or Hillary.

And guess what? It doesnt matter.

What proof do you have that Cruz is not? Post it please!

Politicians pretend to respect god in order to get votes but they honestly don't care

All of them? Proof?

So far I am the only one listing any proof that a president is lying about being a christian.
 
All of them? Proof?

So far I am the only one listing any proof that a president is lying about being a christian.


Do You honestly think that Clinton or Trump cares about Christian faith? They just won't say anything in public to piss off christian votes. Cruz seems to have the most faith and people hate him for it.
 
It's pretty obvious that Obama dislikes Christianity and he loves Islam. It's how he was raised in Indonesia as a Muslim.
 
But honestly, I think the last truly devout president we had was Jimmy Carter.
 
the same way ripskater knows Obama is a muslim. "I just know."
I never said that. I said I think he worships the Hindu god that he carries everywhere in his pocket. Christians don't carry Hindu gods in their pocket.

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the same way ripskater knows Obama is a muslim. "I just know."

Well, I provided my proof on Obama with Obama's own words. Now let's pretend you learned how to write a persuasive essay and prove what you say with evidence and reason. Don't you ever want to stop coming off as a poster who does not know shit and cannot provide any evidence for the statements he makes?

But honestly, I think the last truly devout president we had was Jimmy Carter.
Howso?
 


I watched this entire Eulogy the other day. Watch this and tell me these are not the words of a Christian.
 
But honestly, I think the last truly devout president we had was Jimmy Carter.

Nah, Dubya was definitely devout.

And Cruz is certainly devout as well. He's basically the US version of a radical Muslim cleric. Just a completely dangerous fanatic.

Reagan was probably a believer but not devout. Bush I, Clinton and Obama somewhere between vaguely believers and atheist/agnostic.
 
Well, I provided my proof on Obama with Obama's own words. Now let's pretend you learned how to write a persuasive essay and prove what you say with evidence and reason. Don't you ever want to stop coming off as a poster who does not know shit and cannot provide any evidence for the statements he makes?
Your "proof" is not conclusive evidence of whether Obama is or isnt Christian. Its mindless gotcha quotes taken out of context to make him appear as a Muslim. Would such a Muslim lover drone strike civilians with reckless abandon?
 
He could be a Jedi for all I care.

The sad thing is it's 2016 and politicians still have to pretend they believe in fairies to get elected.
 
Nah, Dubya was definitely devout.

And Cruz is certainly devout as well. He's basically the US version of a radical Muslim cleric. Just a completely dangerous fanatic.
We also know that George W. was part of a satanic skull and bones club. Now I don't know if he ever renounced that or not.
 
Your "proof" is not conclusive evidence of whether Obama is or isnt Christian. Its mindless gotcha quotes taken out of context to make him appear as a Muslim. Would such a Muslim lover drone strike civilians with reckless abandon?
I personally don't know if he is Muslim anymore. But he definitely loves Islam more than Christianity. Based on his comments of both religions.
 
Your "proof" is not conclusive evidence of whether Obama is or isnt Christian. Its mindless gotcha quotes taken out of context to make him appear as a Muslim. Would such a Muslim lover drone strike civilians with reckless abandon?

Howso? Other than you just saying so. I laid out the very basic and fundamental belief in Christianity and provided quotes from Obama that prove he does not believe the most important tenet of Christianity.

Just quote my OP then prove how my conclusion is wrong. Go ahead. It should be easy. Right?

He could be a Jedi for all I care.

The sad thing is it's 2016 and politicians still have to pretend they believe in fairies to get elected.
There is no reference to fairies in the Bible unless you are using a derogatory term for a passage in Leviticus



I watched this entire Eulogy the other day. Watch this and tell me these are not the words of a Christian.



Tell me how al pacino is not a cuban who was a drug kingpin in miami?
 

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