Social Obama: I worry progressives may undercut Democratic allies

Does the Democratic party have room for people who don't think men roleplaying as women belong in women's bathrooms? Or is that a purity test?
 
American politics is the greatest reality television program on the planet, even knowing how clearly scripted it is. When is Survivor: White House Edition starting? I want to prepare my popping corn well in advance. Aw shit it already started? Ah oh well a few centuries late to the show isnt that bad I guess.
 
Don't give a fuck what Obama thinks anymore.

The new Dem nominee doesn't need his or Hillarys endorsement.
Already moved way too progressive as whole party to carry those centrist fossils around. Not needed, stay home.
 
grizzard2bid said:
LOL, President "0" was the posterchild of the progressive left.
Now he wants to speak up about it? Oh sweet irony.
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retards keep saying this, and it keeps on being dumb. Nothing Obama has said recently has differed from his approach or behaviour ten years ago. He was a centrist president then, and a centrist figure now. The problem is that in order to prove how 'conservative' some of you knuckle draggers pride yourselves in being, you have to create an artificial distance of being 'right of' in relation to the competition. If Reagan was alive today and ran on the principles he is espoused for in todays climate, you'd be the first one calling him a leftist ideologue. Obama was far to the right of, say, Bill Clinton, but you mouth breathers act like he was wearing a Mao suit and jerking it to Comintern propaganda.
 
this is mostly obama's fault anyway.
 
Roaming East said:
retards keep saying this, and it keeps on being dumb. Nothing Obama has said recently has differed from his approach or behaviour ten years ago. He was a centrist president then, and a centrist figure now. The problem is that in order to prove how 'conservative' some of you knuckle draggers pride yourselves in being, you have to create an artificial distance of being 'right of' in relation to the competition. If Reagan was alive today and ran on the principles he is espoused for in todays climate, you'd be the first one calling him a leftist ideologue. Obama was far to the right of, say, Bill Clinton, you mouth breathers act like he was wearing a Mao suit and jerking it to Comintern propaganda.
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Nobody will take you seriously when you post like an emotional child.
 
Jack V Savage said:
Obama was guilty of being elected while black, which makes him a "intersectional Cultural Marxist" according to idiots like Viva.
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Jack V Savage said:
I'm telling you that what you said is wrong and only based on your own feelings about America electing a black guy.
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Why are you doing this? @VivaRevolution doesn't post racist stuff and has never hinted at objecting to Obama based on the color of his skin.
 
Obama is just a shitty corporatist using what is left of his dwindling relevancy to undercut progressive agendas.
He is a charlatan and always has been. Nobody who followed his administration should be surprised at this at all.
 
Juventud said:
Don't give a fuck what Obama thinks anymore.

The new Dem nominee doesn't need his or Hillarys endorsement.
Already moved way too progressive as whole party to carry those centrist fossils around. Not needed, stay home.
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Not the best attitude when you consider that those "centrist fossils" are still the largest part of the party. And they're not going to like you guys acting like the Tea Party.
 
Fawlty said:
Not the best attitude when you consider that those "centrist fossils" are still the largest part of the party. And they're not going to like you guys acting like the Tea Party.
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And it's not even true. It's just an all-around bad point. The divide is not centrists vs. progressives but people who are actually trying to bring about rational governance and broadly distributed prosperity vs. people who are just trying to show everyone how cool and left they are and as a practical matter are allies of the right.
 
Jack V Savage said:
And it's not even true. It's just an all-around bad point. The divide is not centrists vs. progressives but people who are actually trying to bring about rational governance and broadly distributed prosperity vs. people who are just trying to show everyone how cool and left they are and as a practical matter are allies of the right.
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And I bet this is how you separate a legitimate progressive from a "cool kid" useful idiot...

A legitimate progressive supports centrist policies.

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Jack V Savage said:
And it's not even true. It's just an all-around bad point. The divide is not centrists vs. progressives but people who are actually trying to bring about rational governance and broadly distributed prosperity vs. people who are just trying to show everyone how cool and left they are and as a practical matter are allies of the right.
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In any case, the "fuck Obama" crowd on the left (or the ones who aren't really left or right, just extremists looking for a cult) are completely out of their skulls. But thankfully they don't vote.
 
VivaRevolution said:
Intersectional politics is based on cultural Marxism. It's all about activating voting blocks. It does that by villainizing a outside threat. Aka cis white males.
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Literally none of that is true. Intersectionality sprang from American feminism, devoid of any connection to Marxism, and was never remotely about electoral strategy.

This isn't just ignorant. It's deeply, startlingly cynical.
 
Fawlty said:
Not the best attitude when you consider that those "centrist fossils" are still the largest part of the party. And they're not going to like you guys acting like the Tea Party.
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I don't think they are the bulk of the party actually. I have heard this broken down a few times and the polls are difficult to understand and interpret and you have to look into specifically what questions were asked and to who.

It even makes a big difference if the poll was done over land lines or not as only old people even use landlines anymore.........

If you ask the average democrat if they are centrist moderates or progressives more will absolutely say they are moderates.

However if you go down the list of policy positions then a significant majority will sign on with policy positions that actually put them in the camp of progressives. UHC, 15 dollar minimum wage, money out of politics, free or subsidized college, taxing the wealthy at much higher rates-- all of these issues enjoy majority support in democrats.

People don't know what the labels mean but they do know what positions they support and its progressive policies by far.

The democratic party is progressive its just that the leadership is not.

I don't know how to time stamp--

Kyle comes in here at 3:42-- he breaks down that fallacy of the argument that the base is moderate here and that progressives need to fall in line.



 
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Fawlty said:
Not the best attitude when you consider that those "centrist fossils" are still the largest part of the party. And they're not going to like you guys acting like the Tea Party.
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Yet they're attempting to hijack the progressive wing with fake progressives, much like the GOP did with the Tea Party. It won't end well for status quo Dems OR progressives if compromises aren't met.

But I can guarantee you that progressives will not budge so long as the establishment continues to patronize and seek to undermine the movement.
 
You were never an "ally", just an enabler.

In any other country neo-libs and socialists would be at each others' throats. In my country they are basically the eternal enemies of one another. The left's token hatred for conservatives hardly matches up with their hatred of neo-libs, whom they see as trying to assume their social justice platform for themselves, while continuing to march to the drum of capitalism.
 
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