Obama Administration Seeks Race-Based Government In Hawaii

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President Barack Obama

 

[MicroBrew]

Assuming the article in the OP is not sensationalist , it looks like Native Hawaiians might get to benefit from similar special standing as that of Native American reservations.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I just don't see how this is a good idea and as the OP points out, where is the legal standing to dictate state government in this manner?

 

[UpaLoompa]

I just don't see how this is a good idea and as the OP points out, where is the legal standing to dictate state government in this manner?

Well he's posting from the Daily Caller so I'd assume a lot is being left out. That said, I'd assume that any argument about state governments would be similar to how Native American tribes interact with such.

 

[Dontevenguess93]

Obama, in theory, should be known to future generations as a pioneer in the enforcement of equality, being the first ethnically diverse president. However, this administration will be remembered as more divisive than anything. That's how I see it.

 

[Hawkman3111]

The Caller article seems sourced pretty well (hard to read government documents)

It seems to be all about letting native Hawaiins (I always thought they were Americans) get some nice tax breaks and a casino.

The disturbing part is that once again Obama will pick winners and losers through executive fiat rather than legislation.

I wish he would wave his magic wand and throw some money on me.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Well he's posting from the Daily Caller so I'd assume a lot is being left out. That said, I'd assume that any argument about state governments would be similar to how Native American tribes interact with such.

I never paid attention really, aren't the stipulations surrounding Native Americans outlined Constitutionally? Since it would be a law enacted based on race we're all pretty sure that doesn't fly. I don't think the case of lumping Hawaiians in with NA's is a good one because they are different and not what was meant as written. Hearing the full argument might be wise here.

 

[Ayin]

For those of us from other countries, what IS the USA's deal with Hawaii? Are they a full state which has equal standing, or more similar to a native territory?

 

[MicroBrew]

I never paid attention really, aren't the stipulations surrounding Native Americans outlined Constitutionally? Since it would be a law enacted based on race we're all pretty sure that doesn't fly. I don't think the case of lumping Hawaiians in with NA's is a good one because they are different and not what was meant as written. Hearing the full argument might be wise here.

I am all for Native Hawaiians enjoying the same soverign status of Native Americans. Both are native to their respective lands, so if Native Americans can have reservations and some level of independence from the US government then why shouldn't Native Hawaiians.

 

[OldGoat]

For those of us from other countries, what IS the USA's deal with Hawaii? Are they a full state which has equal standing, or more similar to a native territory?

Hawaii is a state. Puerto Rico and Guam etc are territories.

 

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I never paid attention really, aren't the stipulations surrounding Native Americans outlined Constitutionally? Since it would be a law enacted based on race we're all pretty sure that doesn't fly. I don't think the case of lumping Hawaiians in with NA's is a good one because they are different and not what was meant as written. Hearing the full argument might be wise here.

The proposed new legal regime for Hawaii is sketched in a federal document released Friday, dubbed an Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking.

 

[OldGoat]

I am all for Native Hawaiians enjoying the same soverign status of Native Americans. Both are native to their respective lands, so if Native Americans can have reservations and some level of independence from the US government then why shouldn't Native Hawaiians.

Because they are all currently American citizens and not citizens of some tribe that has treaties with the USA. As far as I know. This would be the most screwed up idea our president has if true. The precedent would be very dumb and damaging.

 

[MicroBrew]

For those of us from other countries, what IS the USA's deal with Hawaii? Are they a full state which has equal standing, or more similar to a native territory?

Full state but only attained Statehood in 1959. Unlike Peurto Rico and Guam which are US territories but do not have Statehood.

 

[OldGoat]

The proposed new legal regime for Hawaii is sketched in a federal document released Friday, dubbed an Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking.

 

[MicroBrew]

Because they are all currently American citizens and not citizens of some tribe that has treaties with the USA. As far as I know. This would be the most screwed up idea our president has if true. The precedent would be very dumb and damaging.

All Native Amerians are citizens of the USA also. Giving them as many rights as Native Americans enjoy will help Native Hawaiians better preserve their culture and give them more power over matters that affect them.

 

[OldGoat]

All Native Amerians are citizens of the USA also. Giving them as many rights as Native Americans enjoy will help Native Hawaiians better preserve their culture and give them more power over matters that affect them.

Did they sign a treaty giving them special privileges when they became a state though? If not what principle is used to justify this? Racial politics is so dangerous.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I am all for Native Hawaiians enjoying the same soverign status of Native Americans. Both are native to their respective lands, so if Native Americans can have reservations and some level of independence from the US government then why shouldn't Native Hawaiians.

Personally I'm against racist law and believe creating tribalism is bad. If I can't do it then they can't either. Lots of people's families were around before their states voted for (possibly in spite of some being against) entry into a seemingly unbreakable contract. Only one group (based on genetics) gets to turn back the clock on the agreement?

All Native Amerians are citizens of the USA also. Giving them as many rights as Native Americans enjoy will help Native Hawaiians better preserve their culture and give them more power over matters that affect them.

We all want our cultures preserved the way we want them. Just ask the Klan.

 

[Anabolistair]

Personally I'm against racist law and believe creating tribalism is bad. If I can't do it then they can't either. Lots of people's families were around before their states voted for (possibly in spite of some being against) entry into a seemingly unbreakable contract. Only one group (based on genetics) gets to turn back the clock on the agreement?



We all want our cultures preserved the way we want them. Just ask the Klan.

LOL well played but Watch out the PC police will shoot you down.

 

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[Satsui Ryu]

Getting the impression misleading thread title is misleading.

If it simply sets up a situation where native Hawaiians get the same benefits as Native Americans I am fine with that.

LOL well played but Watch out the PC police will shoot you down.

Difference being many want to preserve their culture through annihilation of other cultures.