Nunes' leg kicks vs Ronda

[aerius]

Miesha got taken down and tripped numerous times after throwing kicks.

I just watched the fight again since the UFC has it on for free right now. Tate was taken down from throwing a sloppy kick to the body, she didn't throw any low kicks in the fight. Also got taken down while throwing knees with bad form, her posture was already broken so she could put any power behind them and she pretty much gave her leg to Ronda. Also, holy christ Tate, you'd think that after getting owned in the clinch 5 times in a row that you'd reconsider the costs of working there?

As for low kicking Ronda, I think it's a great idea. Ronda is known to have bad knees from all her years of Judo, and the stance she uses combined with her poor footwork makes her a prime target for leg kicks since she can't check them or get out of the way. Also, Judo isn't wrestling, unlike wrestling it doesn't really have techniques like the single or double leg take down that translate smoothly into turning caught kicks to take downs. Leg based techniques do exist in Judo but they don't transfer over to MMA as nicely as wrestling. Nunes does have heavy low kicks though her timing & range need some work, but it should be good enough to give Ronda a hard time. I hope she gives a go at chopping the legs.

 

[wonderbread]

How effective can they be? Has Ronda experience them before? Does she have history of checking or catching them? How many can she take before she breaks?

I'd be curious about Ronda's cardio. Nune's needs to keep Ronda bouncing around like Holm. Gas her ass out.

 

[cherryzero]

If Rhonda is intent on charging into the clinch come hell or high water it'd be best for Nunes to stick to boxing and keep her feet planted. At least until she slows down a bit.

If Rhonda takes a more measured approach after her loss to Holm then yeah, stick her with leg kicks all day.

I honestly have no idea what kind of Rhonda will show up on fight night so it's hard to stay.

 

[ortizgnp]

I'd be curious about Ronda's cardio. Nune's needs to keep Ronda bouncing around like Holm. Gas her ass out.

Will Nunes gas herself out in the process as well?

 

[wonderbread]

Will Nunes gas herself out in the process as well?

Are you a betting man on who would gas first?

 

[War Pig]

She's got great hands
She will stick that jab in Ronda's face cosntantly

Look how bad Amanda's technique is. All arm punches. Doesn't turn her hips. Reaches for the punch against McMann. In the 2nd gif, assuming against Budd, her foot placement is all wrong. She has no balance like that. She's a mini version of Cyborg. She's a brawler.

 

[War Pig]

I'd be curious about Ronda's cardio. Nune's needs to keep Ronda bouncing around like Holm. Gas her ass out.

The last time Nunes tried to bounce around and avoid an opponent was against Valentina and she gassed herself out by the middle of the 2nd round.

 

[StoneWT]

I just watched the fight again since the UFC has it on for free right now. Tate was taken down from throwing a sloppy kick to the body, she didn't throw any low kicks in the fight. Also got taken down while throwing knees with bad form, her posture was already broken so she could put any power behind them and she pretty much gave her leg to Ronda. Also, holy christ Tate, you'd think that after getting owned in the clinch 5 times in a row that you'd reconsider the costs of working there?

As for low kicking Ronda, I think it's a great idea. Ronda is known to have bad knees from all her years of Judo, and the stance she uses combined with her poor footwork makes her a prime target for leg kicks since she can't check them or get out of the way. Also, Judo isn't wrestling, unlike wrestling it doesn't really have techniques like the single or double leg take down that translate smoothly into turning caught kicks to take downs. Leg based techniques do exist in Judo but they don't transfer over to MMA as nicely as wrestling. Nunes does have heavy low kicks though her timing & range need some work, but it should be good enough to give Ronda a hard time. I hope she gives a go at chopping the legs.

It would be a good way to humble her even though we know she'll never truly change. Chop those legs to the point of falling down or making her quit on the stool/doctor stoppage.

 

[aerius]

Look how bad Amanda's technique is. All arm punches. Doesn't turn her hips. Reaches for the punch against McMann. In the 2nd gif, assuming against Budd, her foot placement is all wrong. She has no balance like that. She's a mini version of Cyborg. She's a brawler.

You wouldn't know what good punching form is even if it hit you in the face. Afterall, you're the fucking idiot who thinks Holly is a better striker than Joanna Jedrzejczyk.
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/j...anet-by-the-ufc.3293489/page-2#post-119022041

 

[Kung Fu bb]

Not sure if you're joking.

Not sure if you understand the game.... leg kicking grapplers??? How many woul´d you have to land to even cause some kind of trouble in their footwork, like 15??? That´s 15 chances of getting taken down. Unless you´re Aldo with the best TDD in the game, I wouldn´t advise. And not even Aldo threw his best kicks against Edgar, it was basically 2 or 3 in the whole fight.

 

[Kung Fu bb]

Look how bad Amanda's technique is. All arm punches. Doesn't turn her hips. Reaches for the punch against McMann. In the 2nd gif, assuming against Budd, her foot placement is all wrong. She has no balance like that. She's a mini version of Cyborg. She's a brawler.

No buddy, she´s very technical and she´s the champion of the world for a reason. There´s nothing wrong with her punch, she does it with full extension of arms, which is correctly, different from those stiff punches where you don´t even extend your arms fully. She found an opening and threw it with precision, she didn´t need to adjust her body position to look neat.... if you looked at Silva´s punches coming from all sorts of angles and body positions, what would you say? Shitty technique? He´s a brawler too??? Sometimes you just have to let your hate go and see things as they really are.... Nunes is a beast and very technical. Deal with it.

 

[ShreddinMMA]

Ronda doesn't really catch kicks. And she leaves herself very open in the pocket.

Nunes is going to kick the crap out of her on the feet. She's proven that she's a much stronger striker than Ronda is.

 

[War Pig]

No buddy, she´s very technical and she´s the champion of the world for a reason. There´s nothing wrong with her punch, she does it with full extension of arms, which is correctly, different from those stiff punches where you don´t even extend your arms fully. She found an opening and threw it with precision, she didn´t need to adjust her body position to look neat.... if you looked at Silva´s punches coming from all sorts of angles and body positions, what would you say? Shitty technique? He´s a brawler too??? Sometimes you just have to let your hate go and see things as they really are.... Nunes is a beast and very technical. Deal with it.

Her foot placement is horrible and she throws arm punches. She even did it in the Miesha fight. She's also slow. She doesn't use angles. She's not a technical striker. An example of a technical striker would be Valentina or Germaine - 2 fighters she couldn't stand and trade with and was forced to take them down.

 

[aerius]

Not sure if you understand the game.... leg kicking grapplers??? How many woul´d you have to land to even cause some kind of trouble in their footwork, like 15??? That´s 15 chances of getting taken down. Unless you´re Aldo with the best TDD in the game, I wouldn´t advise. And not even Aldo threw his best kicks against Edgar, it was basically 2 or 3 in the whole fight.

1) There's nothing wrong with leg kicking a grappler if you know how to do it right. Joanna leg kicked Claudia over 30 times in their rematch and didn't get taken down once off of a low kick, and that's the worst case scenario of low kicking a strong wrestler who can take down anyone with a power double, and who does catch kicks into take downs. Or another example, Koscheck vs. Thiago Alves. Kos was the 2nd best wrestler in the division and could take down anyone, even GSP. Alves landed a fuckton of low kicks on him and chopped his to pieces without getting taken down a single time.

2) Judoka and wrestlers are not the same when it comes to grappling and takedowns. If you low kick a wrestler you're essentially giving them an easy entry to drive through your hips for a single or double, if they block or catch the leg it's a simple knee tap and you're down. Judo doesn't have anything that transfers over that quickly & easily, there are trips & techniques that can be used off of a blocked or caught low kick but the way they're done in Judo where they have the Gi and grips makes them harder to apply to MMA. The grips, positioning, stance, and timing all have to be adjusted to make the Judo techniques work in MMA whereas wrestling techniques transfer straight over with minimal adjustments. Given who Ronda's coach is I have a hard time believing she can make the needed changes to effectively turn low kicks into takedowns.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Not sure on the rules, but are cankle kicks allowed?

Coldblooded!

 

[CPH]

Not sure if you understand the game.... leg kicking grapplers??? How many woul´d you have to land to even cause some kind of trouble in their footwork, like 15??? That´s 15 chances of getting taken down. Unless you´re Aldo with the best TDD in the game, I wouldn´t advise. And not even Aldo threw his best kicks against Edgar, it was basically 2 or 3 in the whole fight.

You're just regurgitating a mantra that has been proven wrong time and time again. Aldo is one fighter that doesn't believe in low kicks vs top wrestlers but there are a number of fighters who have been very successful exploiting grapplers with low kicks, middle kicks and knees. Cerrone landed 26/27 lows on Alvarez, nearly finishing within 3 rounds. Barboza landed 23/30 lows on Melendez. Rick Story landed 29/31 on Gunny. There are plenty more examples.

And the idea that you have to finish or hurt an opponent with low kicks for them to be worthwhile is nonsense too. A low kick is a great tool for checking an aggressive fighter's advances (particularly those with a wide stance), setting them up for something else and just racking up points. If you know what you are doing, the chances are very low that you will get countered or taken down.

Mantras are often worthless because they don't take into account the fighters involved. The fact is that if you have good timing and power with your low kick, you should absolutely test your opponent and see how he/she reacts. Nunes has a good low kick and Ronda has not shown any ability to counter the low kick. I think it's worth trying once Nunes gets a feel for Ronda's footwork and the pace slows a little bit.

 

[Kung Fu bb]

Her foot placement is horrible and she throws arm punches. She even did it in the Miesha fight. She's also slow. She doesn't use angles. She's not a technical striker. An example of a technical striker would be Valentina or Germaine - 2 fighters she couldn't stand and trade with and was forced to take them down.

So anybody who´s not Silva level and ca n´t stand with him and attempts to take him down is not a technical fighter? Terrible logic buddy.

 

[Ingjr]

Look how bad Amanda's technique is. All arm punches. Doesn't turn her hips. Reaches for the punch against McMann. In the 2nd gif, assuming against Budd, her foot placement is all wrong. She has no balance like that. She's a mini version of Cyborg. She's a brawler.

The only thing wrong with Amanda's punches are she needs to cock her head about 45deg. to the left. Just like Rousey.






Sarcasm alert for the sarcastically challenged.

 

[Kung Fu bb]

You're just regurgitating a mantra that has been proven wrong time and time again. Aldo is one fighter that doesn't believe in low kicks vs top wrestlers but there are a number of fighters who have been very successful exploiting grapplers with low kicks, middle kicks and knees. Cerrone landed 26/27 lows on Alvarez, nearly finishing within 3 rounds. Barboza landed 23/30 lows on Melendez. Rick Story landed 29/31 on Gunny. There are plenty more examples.

And the idea that you have to finish or hurt an opponent with low kicks for them to be worthwhile is nonsense too. A low kick is a great tool for checking an aggressive fighter's advances (particularly those with a wide stance), setting them up for something else and just racking up points. If you know what you are doing, the chances are very low that you will get countered or taken down.

Mantras are often worthless because they don't take into account the fighters involved. The fact is that if you have good timing and power with your low kick, you should absolutely test your opponent and see how he/she reacts. Nunes has a good low kick and Ronda has not shown any ability to counter the low kick. I think it's worth trying once Nunes gets a feel for Ronda's footwork and the pace slows a little bit.

Your examples are terrible. Barboza is by far the BEST kicker in the game and fighting against a washep up Melendez (only beat Diego Sanchez in the UFC, lol), and Cerrone certainly a top 5 kicker in the game against a mid level grapplers brawler, please, and both guys are only ok wrestlers, and NEITHER of them are finishers on the ground like Ronda.... not even comparable. There´s a reason why coaches tell their fighters no to low kick grapplers, and it´s obvious. Ronda's grappling level for the women's division would be sth like Werdum, Maia, Jacare level, the risk is too high, LMAO not your weak ass Melendez or Alvarez level.


edit: and Story is a big wrestler based fighter, much bigger than bjj guy (non wrestler), Gunny.

 

[War Pig]

The only thing wrong with Amanda's punches are she needs to cock her head about 45deg. to the left. Just like Rousey.






Sarcasm alert for the sarcastically challenged.

It would help if she didn't throw arm punches as well. Also, after watching the Miesha fight I really hope she throws some of those high kicks and Ronda takes her down like Miesha did. Come to think of it, tiny Valentina took her down as well and had top position for several minutes. Wonder what Ronda could do in that position.