Number of Technologically Advanced Civilizations in the Universe

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In 1961 an astronomer and astrophysicist named Frank Drake came up with the Drake equation which was a mathematical formula to try an ascertain the number of technologically advanced civilizations in our galaxy, the Milky Way.

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The Drake equation is still used today to establish a probability framework for the number of technologically advanced civilizations but thanks to Adam Frank of the University of Rochester and his friend Woodruff Sullivan of the University of Washington, they have managed to eliminate or refine three of the terms within the Drake Equation to get a more reliable estimate.

What you see below in yellow is the Drake Equation, and the lower blue are the refinements to the equation.

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Recent advances in technology and research have begun to narrow the Drake Equations constraints so that we can plug in better estimates. The Kepler telescope in orbit around Earth, for example, has helped us to determine that about one-fifth of stars have planets orbiting in the habitable zone.

The synopsis of their work is as follows.

Their new equation, which they call the “Archaeological form” of the Drake equation, looks like this—Nast x fbt.


Nast, the number of habitable planets, is defined as Nast = N* x fp x np, where N* is the total number of stars, fp is the fraction that form planets, and np is the average of those planets circling in the habitable zones of their parent stars. The second term of the Archaeological form equation, fbt, is defined as the likelihood of an advanced technological civilization arising on one of these habitable planets.


The results suggest that humankind is only likely to be unique if the odds of another civilization developing on a habitable world are less than one in 1022.


That’s a very—some might say improbably—small number.

http://futurism.com/proof-aliens-definitely/

They go on to say that in the past it would be a pessimistic view to place the probability of an advanced civilization at 1 in a trillion but now we know that even at one in a trillion, there would have been around 10,000,000,000, that's right, 10 Billion technologically advanced civilizations. In fact, so many that a person would not even be able to view a list of the names of these races in a lifetime. A vast sea of advanced races so numerous it is almost beyond imagination.

So then, are we seeing some of these advanced races in our atmosphere? Is it possible that many of the more credible UFO sightings by astronauts, airline pilots, police officers and others are legit? If not then why not?

A possible explanation is the Firmi Paradox. The basic idea is that there are a huge number of technologically advanced races and yet we see very little evidence of this. Nick Bostrom of Oxford gives a great explanation of the Firmi Paradox if you would like to watch it. The paradox seems to indicate that even if we were just to discover a single celled organism on a moon around Jupiter, it would be a very bad thing because it might indicate life is very common which would in turn indicate that most civilizations go extinct before they become "spacefaring" species. That means us, it means that there is a good chance we never escape Earth and we in fact go extinct.

On the other hand, not finding any life, which we haven't, would seem to indicate that life is exceptionally rare and the human race may have already cleared the hurdle that causes most races to go extinct.

Here is Bostrom's explanation.



In this modern age of technological advancement, these are the questions we must wrestle with. We can no longer roll our eyes and wave off any discussion of UFO's and extraterrestrial life. If there are billions of technologically advanced races then why do we not see them? Or do we see them and we are simply not yet mature enough to accept the reality of it and interact with them?
 
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In this modern age of technological advancement, these are the questions we must wrestle with. We can no longer roll our eyes and wave off any discussion of UFO's and extraterrestrial life. If there are billions of technologically advanced races then why do we not see them? Or do we see them and we are simply not yet mature enough to accept the reality of it and interact with them?

If they exist, visit our planet, and all they do is float around for ten minutes in the atmosphere and abduct / probe people occasionally, I wouldn't put it on us for not being mature enough to interact with them.
 
"'Bout tree fiddy."

- Black Science Man

love this post. if there were a button for that I'd have chosen it but alas you have to settle for a like.


TS - thanks. when I have more time Ima be all up in this.
 
If they exist, visit our planet, and all they do is float around for ten minutes in the atmosphere and abduct / probe people occasionally, I wouldn't put it on us for not being mature enough to interact with them.

10 Billion technologically advanced civilizations, some of them most certainly MILLIONS of years ahead of us. Its an interesting problem because it might indicate that the majority of those civilizations have already gone extinct. It would mean the same fate likely awaits humanity. Or it might indicate that even given millions of years of technological advancement, the vastness of space is an obstacle that cannot be overcome. The Firmi Paradox video I posted details this problem quite succinctly considering the size of the problem.

NASA would cheer and hug each other with the biggest smiles ever if they discovered single celled organisms on Titan but anyone who has thought out the problem would know it would be a bad thing, not a good thing because it would indicate that life was very common and the reason we don't see any advanced species is because most of them went extinct.
 
I prefer the more refined take of the Fermi Paradox and the usage of the 3 F's

We are either:

First - The first species to develop intrastellar (with the goal of interstellar) capabilities and send technology to other planetary bodies.

Far - There are intelligent life forms but distance is just too great to cover for cross mingling. Even if there were 1 intelligent group per galaxy, there would still be 100 billion (more) species. However, the laws of physics applies to all of them thus - its impossible for one galaxy to catch another...

Or

Fucked - There are superior beings, they are coming and its just a waiting game. I wonder if they will cut of our noses and think they would work as aphrodisiacs? Maybe make soup out of our fingers or use our teeth in their instruments?
 
I'm pretty sure the odds are safe that some of those civilizations exist. I hope those inhabitants are nothing like humans.
 
I prefer the more refined take of the Fermi Paradox and the usage of the 3 F's

We are either:

First - The first species to develop interstellar capabilities and send technology to other planetary bodies.

Far - There are intelligent life forms but distance is just too great to cover for cross mingling. Even if there were 1 intelligent group per galaxy, there would still be 100 billion (more) species. However, the laws of physics applies to all of them thus - its impossible for one galaxy to catch another...

Or

Fucked - There are superior beings, they are coming and its just a waiting game. I wonder if they will cut of our noses and think they would work as aphrodisiacs? Maybe make soup out of our fingers or use our teeth in their instruments?

All we can do is hope they have big dicks and aren't insecure.

Otherwise we're getting ground up and turned into alien Xtenz.
 
All we can do is hope they have big dicks and aren't insecure.

Otherwise we're getting ground up and turned into alien Xtenz.

I wonder what is alien speak for "dont eat the chinese guy, you'll just be hungry in an hr?"
 
I'm pretty sure the odds are safe that some of those civilizations exist. I hope those inhabitants are nothing like humans.

Even at just one in a trillion chance, we are sitting somewhere around 10 billion advanced civilizations. I can't even grasp that. 10,000,000,000 advanced civilizations. Most assuredly some of them would be predatory. In fact, I shake my head every time something like Voyager happens and we send out a message detailing our cosmic location. What if the wrong MF'ers find that?
 
But..but humans are the apex of creation.

We're supposed to be special:(
 
Even at just one in a trillion chance, we are sitting somewhere around 10 billion advanced civilizations. I can't even grasp that. 10,000,000,000 advanced civilizations. Most assuredly some of them would be predatory. In fact, I shake my head every time something like Voyager happens and we send out a message detailing our cosmic location. What if the wrong MF'ers find that?

assuming they have an old school record player ...
 
Out of those 10 bil, one of them was the first. And at some point, that first technologically advanced civilization became so advanced in math and sciences that they asked themselves, "Is anyone else out there?" And to answer that question they created an equation like the Drake equation and determined there were probably 10 billion other civilizations, but they were wrong. They were the only ones. How do we know that we're not the first?
 
Here are some UFO sightings that were filmed live on the BBC. The number of credible photos and videos are growing in this age of technology. At some point we have to confront this issue with more than a shrug.

 
Out of those 10 bil, one of them was the first. And at some point, that first technologically advanced civilization became so advanced in math and sciences that they asked themselves, "Is anyone else out there?" And to answer that question they created an equation like the Drake equation and determined there were probably 10 billion other civilizations, but they were wrong. They were the only ones. How do we know that we're not the first?

Boy that would suck, unless, we became tech advanced many many years before we thought, humans actually left this world and colonized others. And then something catastrophic happened on Earth and threw us back to stone age, and brought us to where we are now.
 
Out of those 10 bil, one of them was the first. And at some point, that first technologically advanced civilization became so advanced in math and sciences that they asked themselves, "Is anyone else out there?" And to answer that question they created an equation like the Drake equation and determined there were probably 10 billion other civilizations, but they were wrong. They were the only ones. How do we know that we're not the first?

Most likely there were many before us. The 10 billion number is a total for cosmic history. Our knowledge indicates that timeline to be 13.5 billion years. They are saying the Drake equation, or rather, the archeological drake equation indicates that as many as 10 billion advanced civilizations came before us. The scary question then presents itself as, how many of those civilizations have gone extinct and when will our time be up?
 
Humans are delicate and not made for space travel. I think we will find out what reality is made of but we will not be able to exploit it. Maybe some sort of biomachine, android or something would be able too...I remember seeing a ted talk about how we are a cocoon for that next step in evolution.
 
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