Opinion Nowadays when u encounter a racist incident the best thing u can do is to record & post it online?

[A.S. Deep]

You should join an exposing racist group on Facebook and see the vile racist shit people are actually getting in trouble for. Threatening POC and calling them the N word and insulting and threatening their children and shit.

The girl who got busted on camera in the back of a truck saying she was going hunting for blacks (with a much more offensive word of course) upset because her Air Force career is ruined had it the fuck coming.

I saw a meme that said "your klancesters didn't hide under sheets so you could be racist with your job linked to their profile" and it's pretty accurate. Pretty mind-blowing you would be so racist when people can just screenshot it, send it to your employer and ask them if that's the kind of representative of their company they want.

Sorry, but I have to stay principled.

As long as these people are not taking action, I have to defend their speech, even if I despise what the speech is. And I say this as someone who has dealt with racism all his life, and whose fiancee was suicidal due to consrant racist insults.

Racist insults = I don't care

Firing someone because of their race = Take legal action

Disgusting, vile racist memes = I don't care

Refusing service to someone because of their race (or refusing to hire them because of their race) = Legal action

Racist threats = I don't care

Physically harming someone because of their race = Beat the shit out of them in self-defense and show them ZERO mercy in the courts.

No matter how just and righteous we all think we are, we are NOT a court and should not try to destroy lives. Because if we do, then this eventually be used against US. Even if there is NO video evidence.

I've already heard of racist allegations being used to get rid of competition for promotions.

As someone who has lived in 3rd world countries where free speech is nonexistent socially, I know where this leads to.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Sorry, but I have to stay principled.

As long as these people are not taking action, I have to defend their speech, even if I despise what the speech is. And I say this as someone who has dealt with racism all his life, and whose fiancee was suicidal due to consrant racist insults.

Racist insults = I don't care

Firing someone because of their race = Take legal action

Disgusting, vile racist memes = I don't care

Refusing service to someone because of their race (or refusing to hire them because of their race) = Legal action

Racist threats = I don't care

Physically harming someone because of their race = Beat the shit out of them in self-defense and show them ZERO mercy in the courts.

No matter how just and righteous we all think we are, we are NOT a court and should not try to destroy lives. Because if we do, then this eventually be used against US. Even if there is NO video evidence.

I've already heard of racist allegations being used to get rid of competition for promotions.

As someone who has lived in 3rd world countries where free speech is nonexistent socially, I know where this leads to.

at least you stand by your principles. Some cops recently released a city council woman's home address and encouraged threats to her life because their department was defunded around $850,000 and a woman was brutally raped because of it, but people are more upset about people contacting employers because somebody contacts a school to let them know a teacher hates POC.

Nurses, cops, teachers, should all be considered suspect of doing their jobs fairly when they post vile racist shit. One head chef of a country club for example talking about spitting in black people's food, cops talking about running over and killing protesters, a nurse talking about not giving POC treatment.

That's a whole lot different than a woman getting brutally raped because a cop wants revenge on a politician for doing her job (not to mention considering the state of the police it's highly likely a cop was the rapist)

But seeing a piece of shit person who posts how the Klan needs to come back in earnest having to tell their kids they have to get on food stamps doesn't quite bother me as much as mayor's and police actively trying to get revenge because people are going through legal channels for change.

 

[A.S. Deep]

at least you stand by your principles. Some cops recently released a city council woman's home address and encouraged threats to her life because their department was defunded around $850,000 and a woman was brutally raped because of it, but people are more upset about people contacting employers because somebody contacts a school to let them know a teacher hates POC.

Nurses, cops, teachers, should all be considered suspect of doing their jobs fairly when they post vile racist shit. One head chef of a country club for example talking about spitting in black people's food, cops talking about running over and killing protesters, a nurse talking about not giving POC treatment.

That's a whole lot different than a woman getting brutally raped because a cop wants revenge on a politician for doing her job (not to mention considering the state of the police it's highly likely a cop was the rapist)

But seeing a piece of shit person who posts how the Klan needs to come back in earnest having to tell their kids they have to get on food stamps doesn't quite bother me as much as mayor's and police actively trying to get revenge because people are going through legal channels for change.

Some cops recently released a city council woman's home address and encouraged threats to her life because their department was defunded around $850,000 and a woman was brutally raped because of it

Yeah, obviously that's horrible and needs to be punished.

But seeing a piece of shit person who posts how the Klan needs to come back in earnest having to tell their kids they have to get on food stamps doesn't quite bother me as much as mayor's and police actively trying to get revenge because people are going through legal channels for change

Two wrongs don't make a right, though. Using your example, those kids did nothing wrong but will punished for their parent's mistake. I don't want ANY kids to be forced to be on food stamps.

Why not hate it when BOTH sides doxx each other, cancel each other, and use hysterical rage mobs?

Also, you do understand that the 2nd, 3rd and 4th order effects of rage mobs and cancel culture are terrifying, right?

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Yeah, obviously that's horrible and needs to be punished.



Two wrongs don't make a right, though. Using your example, those kids did nothing wrong but will punished for their parent's mistake. I don't want ANY kids to be forced to be on food stamps.

Why not hate it when BOTH sides doxx each other, cancel each other, and use hysterical rage mobs?

Also, you do understand that the 2nd, 3rd and 4th order effects of rage mobs and cancel culture are terrifying, right?

A racist shouldn't be trusted to work in education, law enforcement, or healthcare is my main concern. My political stance is people should have access to food, healthcare, and housing as basic rights, some piece of shit racist getting fired from his work has to explain to his children that actions have consequences. If some dude posts that he wants to run us over because we're blocking the street, we find out he's a cop, we get about a thousand people filing complaints with the PD. He has made is evident that he is not fit to be a police officer, do we at least agree on that?

That professor was forced to resign. Guess what he taught? the cops criminal justice classes lol. People like this lady, while I see your point, I feel no fucking sympathy for.

Spoiler: N word warnin'

Ope. Her life is ruined because of this. That's a whole lot different than the filthy pig who doxxed a local politician for revenge that led to a rape, and judging from how the police are. A pig likely raped that woman. "I hope you learned your lesson" was said before the brutal rape. Sounds like a cop to me, and the fact they got the wrong address and raped her neighbor because it was a duplex. Sounds reaaaal cop like. Those motherfuckers love getting the wrong house.

 

[MMABrooklyn]

It's troubling that people are playing the race card in hope of becoming viral internet stars.

I love it, camera, the internet the great equalizers. Shame the devil as the saying goes.

 

[A.S. Deep]

A racist shouldn't be trusted to work in education, law enforcement, or healthcare is my main concern. My political stance is people should have access to food, healthcare, and housing as basic rights, some piece of shit racist getting fired from his work has to explain to his children that actions have consequences. If some dude posts that he wants to run us over because we're blocking the street, we find out he's a cop, we get about a thousand people filing complaints with the PD. He has made is evident that he is not fit to be a police officer, do we at least agree on that?

That professor was forced to resign. Guess what he taught? the cops criminal justice classes lol. People like this lady, while I see your point, I feel no fucking sympathy for.

Spoiler: N word warnin'

Ope. Her life is ruined because of this. That's a whole lot different than the filthy pig who doxxed a local politician for revenge that led to a rape, and judging from how the police are. A pig likely raped that woman. "I hope you learned your lesson" was said before the brutal rape. Sounds like a cop to me, and the fact they got the wrong address and raped her neighbor because it was a duplex. Sounds reaaaal cop like. Those motherfuckers love getting the wrong house.

Sorry, dude. But as easy and quite frankly fun as it would be to give into my most primitive emotions and want these people utterly destroyed, I have to stand by my principles.

Unless these people do something, I don't care what they say.

What you're supporting is the fun and easy route. And that is why I don't want any part of it.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Sorry, dude. But as easy and quite frankly fun as it would be to give into my most primitive emotions and want these people utterly destroyed, I have to stand by my principles.

Unless these people do something, I don't care what they say.

What you're supporting is the fun and easy route. And that is why I don't want any part of it.

So you think a cop that posts racist shit on facebook shouldn't have it brought up in the public eye? 13 Philly officers got axed from their jobs for their homophobic/racist rants on facebook. That's their fault.

Also racists don't get a pass anymore. I'm not talking about little shit, I'm talking about threatening POC, or calling people slurs in public, advocating genocide, etc etc. White supremacists deserve to have their lives ruined imo. All you have to do to not get your life ruined as a racist is just hide their identify like their grandparents did lol.

Also it's not new, leftists have dealt with this shit forever. Just the hint of being a socialist got you fired back in the day, I've been threatened to be blacklisted in the culinary industry because of my work with Occupy. Now that the shoe is on the other foot everyone is upset.

I realize Sherdog posters are very much like this person but am I supposed to weep about him losing his job? Also if a business owner posts racist shit on his FB and gets boycotted over it that's democracy in action isn't it?

 

[A.S. Deep]

So you think a cop that posts racist shit on facebook shouldn't have it brought up in the public eye? 13 Philly officers got axed from their jobs for their homophobic/racist rants on facebook. That's their fault.

Also racists don't get a pass anymore. I'm not talking about little shit, I'm talking about threatening POC, or calling people slurs in public, advocating genocide, etc etc. White supremacists deserve to have their lives ruined imo. All you have to do to not get your life ruined as a racist is just hide their identify like their grandparents did lol.

Also it's not new, leftists have dealt with this shit forever. Just the hint of being a socialist got you fired back in the day, I've been threatened to be blacklisted in the culinary industry because of my work with Occupy. Now that the shoe is on the other foot everyone is upset.

I realize Sherdog posters are very much like this person but am I supposed to weep about him losing his job? Also if a business owner posts racist shit on his FB and gets boycotted over it that's democracy in action isn't it?

Also it's not new, leftists have dealt with this shit forever. Just the hint of being a socialist got you fired back in the day,

Ironically, this is my main argument for why I'm against this.

I'm brown, having a foreign name, am athiest, have been liberal since I'm young, always criticize the US government, and am probably bisexual. I've been a ticking timebomb for employers since birth haha.

Which is why, now that liberals like me are on top culturally, I never want anyone to deal with this employment stigma ever again. Because I know how it feels, and I'm pretty sure you know how terrible it feels too.

All you have to do to not get your life ruined as a racist is just hide their identify like their grandparents did lol.

The issue is, obvious jokes will get you in trouble too. Like I said, I already know of people abusing this to get rid of competitors for promotions.

Overall, it seems you and I will have to agree to disagree. Our values just seem to be too different. As someone who has never trusted the emotional masses, I knew from a young age that I'd be canceled before cancel culture was even a thing, just for my asshole sense of humor. As a result, I'll be fine. However, I fear that many good people are in for a rude awakening when the emotional masses come for them.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Ironically, this is my main argument for why I'm against this.

I'm brown, having a foreign name, am athiest, have been liberal since I'm young, always criticize the US government, and am probably bisexual. I've been a ticking timebomb for employers since birth haha.

Which is why, now that liberals like me are on top culturally, I never want anyone to deal with this employment stigma ever again. Because I know how it feels, and I'm pretty sure you know how terrible it feels too.



The issue is, obvious jokes will get you in trouble too. Like I said, I already know of people abusing this to get rid of competitors for promotions.

Overall, it seems you and I will have to agree to disagree. Our values just seem to be too different. As someone who has never trusted the emotional masses, I knew from a young age that I'd be canceled before cancel culture was even a thing, just for my asshole sense of humor. As a result, I'll be fine. However, I fear that many good people are in for a rude awakening when the emotional masses come for them.

Oh don't get me wrong. I get your point, and trust me I'm more aware than most about the implications of jokes lol. I also tend to agree with you on a lot of it and I understand I'm somewhat hypocritical in the things I accept as okay reasons to go after someone. While the groups I know are pretty strict about who they go after and it has to be approved I know there are other people getting fucked over too.

It all depends I guess on if you're willing to accept collateral damage and the extent of it, and your belief that racists in the US should be confronted and attacked within the legal framework of the law, white supremacists should live a life in fear, they've earned it. It's slightly ironic we are both using the "First they came for the communists" defense in different ways. If you're interested in seeing things from my POV I recommend the book Alerta! Alerta! Snapshots of Europes Anti-Fascist Struggle. Fascinating read, the stuff in Greece is absolutely wild.

That being said I 100% see your point but when we see people like this, it's important we out them and find out as much as we can about them. (Taken from a Trump supporter/pro cop rally)

 

[ocfightfan]

Most "racist incidents" are just people being rude, but the anti-racist religious fanatics need them to be the prelude a new slavery.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Sure, but you'll be dealing with an event where everyone can actually see it and evaluate what they see, which is far better than evaluating the he said/she said version.

I dunno, hey. Look at threads here with video evidence. We're not talking about quality, contextualised video. We're talking about shakey footage that offers the illusion of 'objective reality' but is in actuality very open to interpretation.

At the point of interpretation, people make their minds up about the intention of the interpretation. Things come to the same place as they do without video: If you don't agree with me, you're a Nazi-racist/Communist-soyboy. The sort of video that makes it onto social media, I don't think adds anything of value to a conversation; mostly they appear to just make people feel more comfortable about the convictions they already held.

"Weaponized as a tool for division" is only true if you don't believe that the division already existed.

No, it's not. I don't think this assertion makes any sense at all.
Something can exacerbate a pre-existing faultine.

People have been complaining about this very issue for decades.

And the issue's less of an issue than it has ever been.

The introduction of social media and cell phone cameras didn't create it, it only recorded it.

There's no such thing as "only recorded it."
The introduction of social media and cell phone cameras magnified it and made it a disproportionate presence in people's lives. It also brought in the "15 minutes of fame" angle, that has often been used to criticise media coverage of mass shooters - everyone now has the chance for a moment of infamy.
And, deny it all you want, but people take advantage of things like that, and it adds another wrinkle to the problem; jackasses acting like cartoon characters in hopes of becoming their team's favourite internet meme, or snowflakes wholeheartedly embracing the opportunity to be praised for being a victim.

This is not even touching on the fact that, in the current domain of public opinion, it seems that any time someone white does something unpleasant to someone black, it's automatically assumed to be racially motivated. For fuck's sake, we have video evidence of Chauvin brutally killing George Floyd, and even that wasn't enough on its own - the assumption of a racial angle, for which there is absolutely no video evidence, was just casually tacked on and run with.

In the recent riots, we've seen very strategic use of 'video evidence' employed to frame a situation according to a certain narrative. Sometimes it's as simple as instigating shit a moment before hitting 'record'.

"Only recorded it," my ass.

But I suppose there is/was a subsection of the population who were unaware that the people complaining about these issues have been making the same complaints for decades.

You mean the issues that've been improving for decades?

That doesn't make the division new, it just means that that subset has finally started paying attention to it.

No one said the division was new, you're just working off of the weird assumption that a pre-existing division can't be worsened and that a weapon for division can only be utilised against people who are undivided. The division has been obvious for a while, hence the conspiracy theories that foreign actors have been nudging the discontent along.

People "started paying attention" because social media, video, etc have exaggerated the issue by emotionally charging them. You see ten videos of pieces of shit being pieces of shit, and it becomes very easy to forget that you live in a country of 320M people and that those ten videos are not really representative of much at all.

Take it to the next level, and maybe there are thousands and thousands of videos showing examples of "racism" - at that point, no one has the time to watch them all. No one that everyone trusts is vetting them, categorizing them according to their legitimacy, intensity, etc, etc.
That's not evidence. Not in any meaningful sense. That's just ammunition that each side can use against the other.

You're basically just arguing for more emotion to be thrown onto the fire.